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September 16

Port Columbus International Airport

Dear Editor FYI: For your "Port Columbus International Airport" entry your 4th attribute is incorrect. You state: "The airport code 'CMH' stands for "Columbus Metropolitan Hangar," though that name is no longer used today.[4]" CMH stands for "Columbus Municipal Hanger." Please change.

Thanks, in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.225.54 (talk) 00:16, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Request the edit on the article talk page, Talk: Port Columbus International Airport, citing a reliable source, or edit the article yourself citing a reliable source. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:23, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

request edit

DJ Quik's real name is David Martin Blake. not "Marvin" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.66.71 (talk) 00:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source? If so, request the edit on the article talk page, Talk: DJ Quik. You can make the edit yourself, but because this is a biography of a living person, it is very important to comply with sourcing guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The web favors "Martin" by about 2-to-1, but it's hard to judge reliability. The artist's Facebook page only says David Blake. His website is under construction and doesn't say much of anything. His MySpace bio says "Martin". Along with the web preference, that's enough to justify the change, and I will do that using the MySpace bio as a ref. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 19:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

On second thought. I went to make the change and saw this citation for "Marvin". It purports to be a 2011 interview with the artist, in which he says, "...it would be fortunate had Wikipedia really compiled my information and my career correctly. These muthafuckas start my whole little biography by [not printing my correct middle name, Marvin]. They call me 'David Martin Blake.'" Given that, I think we have to leave "Marvin" unless and until his website includes a bio that says "Martin". ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

And I have copied the above to Talk: DJ Quik for future reference. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 20:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Adding links

I need help adding links on articles to other articles. How do I do this? The Chemistry Bookworm (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

See Help:Link#Wikilinks and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking. And take note of the section on 'overlinking and underlinking' in the latter - a frequent mistake that beginners make is to add unnecessary links, which make for a cluttered page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Request for the book " Bhakti Rasayan" by - Madhusudan Saraswati

Respected Sir,

Namaskar !

Can you provide me a following book :-

" Bhakti-Rasayan" by - Madhusudan Saraswati only. in Marathi or Hindi language.

Kindly confirm whether it is available or how you can help me to avail OR can you create.

Thanks and Regards

Rajendra Girase [redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.61.71 (talk) 03:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

You might find this helpful where you can create your own "book" based upon Wikipedia content: Help:Books -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:49, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Unidentifiable cite error

Unable to find the cause of cite error: Cite error: A list-defined reference has a conflicting group attribute "lower-alpha" at the bottom of the Bibliography section of History of Lae. Need to correct the error to remove the article from an error tracking category. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 04:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Found it eventually - one of the {{efn}} notes was inside a pair of <ref>...</ref> tags. I've not seen that method being used to include book page numbers in references. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:53, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd be interested to know how you found that, in case I see it again. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 05:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I deleted one section after another, clicking "Show preview" each time. That identified the section containing the error, so I looked more closely at all the references there. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, good to know. Interesting that the error referred to a list-defined reference when the article didn't contain any. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 06:50, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

{{efn}} includes <ref> tags; nesting them causes odd results. The other markup in {{efn}} probably had some involvement. I am updating the help page. --  Gadget850 ^talk 16:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Watchlists - easy way to see diffs

I tried searching around in the archives but couldn't find anything satisfactory. I have currently set my watchlist to show only the most recent changes on every page.

• Is there a way to quickly find out the diff between the current version and the one I visited last, without going to the history page, and clicking the "cur" based on the color code of the bullet (green vs blue)?
• I am aware that one can configure watchlist to show all changes on the page insteadd of the most recent, however, some pages have very high traffic, like AN/I, which might drown out other pages. Is there a way to get around this? One suggestion I found in the archives was to separate out those pages and put them in a user page, and use the "Related changes" link. Is something else possible? Kingsindian (talk) 06:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Not quite an answer to your first question but it might help: Go to your Preferences > Gadgets > Browsing, turn on Revision Jumper. Dismas|^(talk) 07:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Also not quite an answer: Do you have Navigation popups enabled on the Gadgets tab of your preferences? This allows you to see the history, the diffs, and much more, all without leaving the watchlist page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I had revision jumper enabled indeed, though it still requires 2 clicks to do the 1st point, as far as I can see. But "Navigation popups" is indeed very useful. That seems to do ok for most purposes I had in mind when I asked the question. However, I wonder still if there is a direct answer to the first question? Kingsindian (talk) 07:14, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

A related question: I can only see "last" links in "Navigation popups" when I hover over history links. Is there some reason why "cur" links are not shown? If this is possible, my question would be solved. Kingsindian (talk) 07:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I can't see a way to do that. I've posted at WT:POPUPS. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I find User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/commonHistory.js very useful for browsing diffs; it gives you the full diff on the watchlist page (and also works on user contribs and page histories as well). Yunshui ^雲_水 09:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

editing company information on a brand's page - by a representative of the brand

I would like to make edits to the following page: Hardy Amies Ltd

I am a representative of the company and therefore a reliable source. Is there a process I have to go through to prove this or is there somewhere I send the relevant information I want to add to the page and they edit it on my behalf etc. For example, we (Hardy Amies Ltd) have just opened a new store at No.8 Savile Row and I need to add details of this to the page. There is also information that needs deleting as it is replicated on the 'Sir Edwin Hardy Amies' page which is more about the brand's founder as opposed to the brand today. Thank you in advance for your help. 195.171.80.170 (talk) 11:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

As a representative of the company you are most definitely not a reliable source as Wikipedia defines that term. Please make your edit request on the article's talk page, citing references to third party, independent sources.--ukexpat (talk) 13:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I see that the question has also been asked (and answered) at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions. In future, please don't ask the same question in multiple places, as it is a waste of volunteers' time to answer questions which have already been answered elsewhere. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Reference sources

Is it appropriate to use my school textbooks as a reference when I add new information to an article? The Chemistry Bookworm (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Sort of depends on where you are in school. Primary (elementary) level textbooks tend to dumb stuff down and so aren't great sources, but A-level (equivalent to Advanced Placement, I think) and degree level textbooks would be acceptable in almost all cases. As a rule, most secondary (high) school textbooks would constitute reliable sources for their subject matter. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

tom keene of bloomberg

there are things just flat-out wrong in my wikipedia how do i correct that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.172.169.79 (talk) 13:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Please leave a message on the talk page at Talk:Tom Keene (radio host) describing the corrections requested and providing references to reliable sources to support your request. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 13:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Orphan tag not displaying

For some reason orphan tags are not displaying in certain articles. An example is 109 Washington Street or The 13-Storey Treehouse but it shows on 14 Grandes Éxitos. The orphan tag is really useful as it links to the Find Link tool. If I can't see the tag I can't use the link Gbawden (talk) 14:23, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Explained at Template:Orphan#Visibility, including a way round. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:34, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Either including wikipedia links or wikipedia content on my website

Hi there guys -

I've gone over the FAQ and other sections to see if I could find the information there and spare you with questions but I haven't found anything specifically that would answer my question. It's quite simple.

I'm launching a website soon that is part of a project I've been working on for the past 2 years to promote historical tourism Spain and the country's legacy and rich heritage. Since the website will contain tons of information on historical sites, events, characters, endeavors, etc. (and considering this is a monumental task that I cannot do or replicate on my own, ever!!!!) I was planning on inserting either 1) Links to the corresponding wikipedia page for each topic and/or 2) actual pasted content (may be a selection in each case, or an extract, etc. that I may edit myself) to provide the information, among other sources (which can be links to other sites, etc.).

I was wondering if I can indeed do this no problem or if there are any restrictions.

Thanks so much for your answer.

Spainonyou (talk) 18:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Linking to Wikipedia articles is perfectly acceptable and indeed encouraged. No permission is required. If you wish to reuse Wikipedia content, you can do so subject to the terms of reuse. Hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 18:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

A knowledgeable chap/chapess, please

Would someone who knows the definitive answer please nip over to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#17:28:34.2C_15_September_2014_review_of_submission_by_DDlb5 and let us all know what is happening. Pining the chap who asked the original question would be a kindness when you answer. Fiddle Faddle 18:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@Timtrent and DDlb5: Pages in user space are available for indexing by search engines by default. Adding the __NOINDEX__ keyword marks the page as not to be available for indexing. This keyword is usually added via a header template for draft/sandbox pages such as {{NOINDEX}}, {{Userspace draft}} or {{AFC submission}}. DDlb5's sandbox page, User:DDlb5/sandbox, has no header template and is available for indexing. Adding {{Userspace draft}} will fix that, but it may be some time before the search engines look at the page again and realise that the page should no longer be shown in search results. Also, badly-behaved search engines may not take any notice of Wikipedia's request. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

(More) The original thread also asked about pages in the draft namespace. These are all marked as not available for indexing, whether or not they have any of these header templates. This happens via a per-namespace configuration setting documented at mw:Manual:$wgNamespaceRobotPolicies. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I have pointed the original enquirer here. Fiddle Faddle 21:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Summer of Monuments header

• Whenever I click to close this header, it goes away for half-a-second but then it leads me to the Wikipedia main page...and the header immediately comes right back. Is that supposed to happen? Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 19:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

No, this is a bug. The issue is being worked on at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 130#Banner keeps reappearing. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Is it necessary to !vote negatively if you propose a draft for deletion?

Dear editors: Draft:Cellpadding was declined at AfC, so I fixed it up by adding information and sources, but it was declined again as too specific to have its own article. There isn't any point in me continuing to improve the article if it's not a suitable topic. Would it be appropriate for me to nominate it for a deletion discussion, even though I would then !vote to keep it, so that other editors would pronounce their opinions about it? That way no more time would be wasted on it if it's truly unsuitable. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not that familar with speedy delete, but I think this would fall under {{Db-g7}} RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not that familiar with AFC, but from an AFD perspective, I think such a use of AFD is acceptable. Simply state it clearly and post your keep vote seperately so people dont get confused by a keep vote in the nomination itself. -- sincerely, Taketa (talk) 21:52, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

If doing this I would make it a neutral nomination, stating that I will defer my !vote, and then let several opinions arrive before offering my own opinion. I suspect we are to use MfD, though, for drafts, etc. Fiddle Faddle 22:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Nominating for deletion seems a little WP:POINTY. Are there other alternatives like requesting a 3rd opinion or DRN? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

If this were an article about my favourite science fiction author, I might have enough emotional involvement to do something WP:POINTY, but this is just a small article about creating whitespace during website design. Since any discussion would be about whether the page should be deleted for lack of notability, I don't see how a discussion at MfD could be disruptive, since that's what MfD is for. It's actually less disruptive than other methods because the only people who need see it are those who see notices at Wikiprojects or who are reading through the MfDs and participate out of interest. Perhaps to make sure that it wouldn't be pointy I should just refrain from giving an opinion at all. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

What about a different approach? AFC is approved or declined by a single editor, and some AFC editors tend to be exclusionists. (There is a lot of stuff in AFC that should be excluded, but also good stuff that should be included.) Instead of using an MFD on the draft in order to get a consensus to keep and promote the draft, can you just move the draft into mainspace? There may be an AFD, but, then again, there might not. If the AFD runs its course and is a Keep, then that is that. If the AFD makes useful suggestions, then you can improve the article. That is my suggestion. Is there any reason that the article can't be moved into mainspace? (I happen to disagree with the last decline anyway.) Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, okay, I did that. I guess I'll see what happens. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

If there is a lock or authority control on a personal individual page..

Johnny Tillotson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

If there is a lock or authority control on a personal individual page...and the page is a living person page about us... How to we become registered users or able to change it. I've had an account since 2008, I've made 33 edits to just one page..ours.. but am not able to add official links.. because someone has placed locks on it that say I have to be registered...fine but how do I do that.. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnysings (talk • contribs) 19:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

You may be running into the spam filter blocker. What site are you trying to link to? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@Johnnysings: The article for Johnny Tillotson is not locked or otherwise protected, so you should be able to edit it. Your account is registered and auto confirmed. A few things about your question worry me though. You say it is "a personal individual page". I hope that you mean that it is an article about an individual person. Because it is not personal to anyone. You also use the words "about us". If you are the same Johnny as the article is about then you have a clear conflict of interest and are discouraged from editing the article yourself. If you have problems with the article, you may discuss them on talk page for the article. Also, you do not own the article and have no more say over the contents of the article than any other editor.

With all of that said, if you are related to Johnny Tillotson then I do encourage you to post your concerns on the talk page of the article so that the article can be made better and more accurate. Dismas|^(talk) 02:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)