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September 21

Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood

Please help Keith D tried but could not get rid of the dots underneath the word "nee" in the "Royal duties" section of this article;Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood Please help Thanks M.Srbernadette (talk) 01:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• Srbernadette The dots indicate an information popup is present. In this instance, when you hover your mouse over the word a little window pops up that says "name before marriage." This is a result of using the template {{nee}} instead of typing the word itself. Both typing the word and using the template are acceptable. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the information - but we feel the dots do not look "good" underneath the word nee in this article. Do you know how to get rid of them? - there are thousands of "nees" (with the accent) in Wikipedia and they do not have the little dots. Thanks so much M — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) 01:33, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• It looks like another editor has already done it. For future reference, you just have to replace the template {{nee}} with the typed out word née. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on United States at the 2015 UCI Road World Championships

Reference help requested. Hello, there is a reference error on United States at the 2015 UCI Road World Championships (see at the bottom of the page), but I can't find the error.. Thanks, Sander.v.Ginkel ^{(Je suis Charlie)} 06:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

In the error message on the page, the words "help page" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error group refs without references. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Sander.v.Ginkel ^{(Je suis Charlie)} 07:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

"policy" v. "content guideline" - WP:NOT v. WP:NOTE, WP:NFT

Should the content of WP:NOTE "notability guidelines" and WP:NFT be folded into the WP:NOT page in some way? It could be that I don't understand the distinction that Wikipedia makes internally between "policy" and "guideline".

What would be the procedure / Where would be the forum to propose an edit of those pages?

Background: Hi. I'm a new contributor, and have been slowly reading more Wikipedia internal documentation in parallel with my content contributions.

—Boruch Baum (talk) 07:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Boruch Baum, the basic difference between policy and guideline is that a policy is mandatory while a guideline is optional. Policies are enforced, guidelines are not. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:09, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Boruch Baum: Another way to look at it is that Policies are the broad structures. Guidelines focus on common specific applications and/or how the concepts of more than one policy should be applied when they intersect. For example, WP:NTF is a more detailed explanation of WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_publisher_of_original_thought and how it intersects with WP:OR. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Biography of Living Person: Deletion Policy

Hi,

There is an article that has been through the deletion process two times, and is now on its third go-through. It was actually deleted once, and then an editor put it back up. You can see the whole sequence of events by going here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francisco D'Agostino (3rd nomination)

This seems like it could go on forever, except I saw that it is possible for the subject of the article to ask himself to have the article taken down: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Summary deletion, creation prevention, and courtesy blanking

Where it says this: "Where the subject of a BLP has requested deletion, the deletion policy says: "Discussions concerning biographical articles of relatively unknown, non-public figures, where the subject has requested deletion and there is no rough consensus, may be closed as delete."

So my question is: What is the process for the subject of the article, in this case Francisco D'Agostino himself, to request that the article be taken down? Who does he have to contact, and where does he send his request, and is there some way he will need to prove his identity?

Thank you.Pangera (talk) 08:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

He can create an account and do it that way, but generally speaking such requests go to OTRS (info-enwikimedia.org). Yunshui ^雲_水 08:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Referencing help

Hi. I have come here to see if I can get some assistance with a recent reference I made. Currently, it is as follows:

<ref name=Antisemitism in History: World War 1>{{cite web|url=http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007166|website=ushm.org|title=Antisemitism in History: World War 1|United States Holocaust Memorial Museum|accessdate=22 September</ref>

This does not appear to be enough as, although it does link to the webpage, the citation is unpolished. What is it that I have not done? I patiently await anyone's kind assistance. Regards Aardwolf A380 (talk) 09:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aardwolf A380 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

First, you put URL with an 'equal' sign in it, which may conflict with a parameter name/value separator. Use {{=}} instead.

Second, you put a vertical bar in a 'title', which in turn conflicts with parameters' separator. Use {{!}} instead.

Finally: complete the reference date with a year and close the {{cite web}} template invocation with double braces: }}.

Result:

"Antisemitism in History: World War 1|United States Holocaust Memorial Museum". ushm.org. Retrieved 22 September 2015.

--CiaPan (talk) 10:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Aardwolf A380: A few points: If the name of a named ref consists of more than one word, it has to be enclosed in quotation marks. And presumably you wanted the U.S. Holocaust Museum to appear as the publisher of the Web site, not as part of the page's title. (I see no problem with the equals sign in the URL, and you also left the year out of the access-date field and didn't close the {{Cite web}} template with }}.) I think the coding you want is

<ref name="Antisemitism in History: World War 1">{{cite web |url=http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007166 |title=Antisemitism in History: World War 1 |website=ushm.org |publisher=United States Holocaust Memorial Museum |access-date=22 September 2015}}</ref>

which produces

References

--Deor (talk) 13:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

‎blacklisted reference in RCVR article

Please help to deal with Talk:RCVR#blacklisted reference --CiaPan (talk) 10:17, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello @CiaPan:, the site was blacklisted after misuse from a SEO spammer: report here (apparently it's a pure marketing site). You could ask to whitelist this specific link at WT:WHITELIST or just add the reference as simple text (the statement seems to be relatively uncontroversial anyway). See also Wikipedia:Spam-blacklist, where additions to and complete removals of domains from the blacklist can be requested. GermanJoe (talk) 11:33, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Removed Page

Resolved

Please advise, why this page is removed: Trevx

Trevx is an audio search engine, and we didn't want to use the page for advertising.

with all thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M7md cis (talk • contribs) 10:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• @M7md cis: Well according to the deleting admin, the article did not contain a credible claim of significance. Therefore it was deleted under Wikipedia's A7 guideline for speedy deletion. All articles on Wikipedia must show notability. If you have further questions regarding this, I suggest discussing them with the deleting admin, Gogo Dodo. --Stabila711 (talk) 13:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

M7md cis I just looked at the deleted text, and i have to say that I would have deleted it also. The deleted version basically just said that Trevex is an audio search engine, and cited the firm's own website. It said nothing about why Trevax is important or significant, not about hoe much it is used, nor did it cite any reviews or any third-party mentions at all. If you think that this subject meets the Golden rule, then I advise starting over using the article wizard and the Articles for Creation review process. DES ^(talk) 16:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Adding our group to a Wiki page via edit

Hi,

I want to add details of our Animal Rights group to this page List of animal rights groups and I understand I would do it via the edit tab.

Is that correct and am I allowed to add it?

Thanks, Wendy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendywoo70 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Just be aware that Wikipedia is not a means of promotion, and that users are discouraged from editing in areas where they have a conflict of interest. Also, most entries in articles titled "list of" either already have articles elsewhere on the site, or else cite a professionally published source that is independent of the subject. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Beyond that was already said by Ian, take a look at our general page about creating Your First Article in there is some excellent information. Don't just skip down to the 'how to do it' part, but rather read and understand the really important information contained in it. We want contributors to Wikipedia, but in order to maintain certain quality and reliability standards there are some policies in place. Tiggerjay (talk) 15:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Wataniya Telecom

Hullo, Wataniya Telecom no-longer exists as Wataniya it is now Ooredoo Kuwait. Please can you change the name on the header to be Ooredoo?

Wataniya Telecom

Many thanks

PS I am working with Ooredoo in Kuwait as a consultant and just updated the profile from the boiler plate. Please check if you wish to amend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenKing2012 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Question header added. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 11:08, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Before you do anything else, you are required by our terms of service to disclose your conflict of interest, preferably on your user page. Then please read WP:COI.

I have moved the article to Ooredoo Kuwait, but it needs a lot more work, including a proper lead paragraph.--ukexpat (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Most of the moved article was about the parent company Ooredoo, which has its own article. I have deleted those parts, also a promotional sentence about its vision of enriching people's lives. There's not much left. Maproom (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Sounds like a merge is the correct outcome.--ukexpat (talk) 14:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

There are several Ooredoo pages that could probably be merged into one article. Wataniya Telecom Maldives, Ooredoo Kuwait, Ooredoo (Tunisia), and Nawras are all subsidiaries owned by Ooredoo. Not sure though since competing companies, such as Vodafone seem to have individual pages for many of the countries they operate in. --Stabila711 (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

A merge sounds like the best route to go with a stub like this. Tiggerjay (talk) 15:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Can our group be added to a page?

Hi,

I just asked this question and got a reply to a link and then I replied but was told they hadn`t replied?!

Ok, can I add our group to this page? List of animal rights groups

Many thanks, Wendy --Wendywoo70 (talk) 15:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Does your group already have a wikipedia page? If not, then the answer is likely no.Tiggerjay (talk) 15:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Also see the reply to the same question you asked previously. Tiggerjay (talk) 15:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

In the absence of any inclusion criteria for that (rather wide-ranging) list, I am going to remove all the redlinks.--ukexpat (talk) 16:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Way ahead of you ukexpat. Other lists like that have a "prior page" requirement for inclusion. If it is not notable enough to have its own page it is not notable enough to be included in the list. If an organization wants to be added to that list they should go through the article creation and vetting process first. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I just noticed the same thing, and was going to remove when I ran into an edit conflict... great minds think a like. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Creating a page

I am new to Wikipedia. I work for a record label, One Little Indian Records, and have been attempting to set up pages for some of our artists that are entirely credible in terms of receiving both established press and national radio airplay, but due to complex Wikipedia guidelines, these keep being deleted and constant issues keep on occurring. I wondered if there was anyway in which someone could assist me in setting these pages up in the correct and proper fashion, as these artists needs these pages to link to websites such as BBC Music Page and they are in line with your guidelines for notable bands/musicians/artists. Trincres17 (talk) 16:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Trincres17: First off, you should not be creating any page directly for anyone you represent. That is a clear conflict of interest. In addition, according to our Terms of Use agreement you must explicitly state that you are being paid to edit Wikipedia. Next, take a look at the notability guidelines for music that Wikipedia has set. If the people you are representing do not fit into those guidelines the article will be deleted. After that, read the general guidelines for all articles. Finally, since you should never create an article that you have a direct involvement with you should go through the articles for creation process. Once submitted another, non-involved, editor will take a look and decide if it is right for Wikipedia. Again, this all requires you to disclose on your user page that you are being paid to edit Wikipedia. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for the advice. How can I add to my user page that I am working for One Little Indian Records, and as part of my job it involves adding content to Wikipedia? Trincres17 (talk) 16:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• Trincres17 Go to your user page, here, and put the following line: {{paid|employer=[[One Little Indian Records]]}}
• Once that is done, you still should not edit or create any article you have a conflict of interest in. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for being so clear and helpful. I shall try and pursue the create an article route. Trincres17 (talk) 16:49, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Trincres17: Your welcome. Once an article is created you should only request edits, never directly edit the page yourself. You can do this by going to the article's talk page by clicking on the tab at the top left. Once there, create a new section with the following line {{request edit}} followed by your request. Another editor will take a look and make the edit for you if it is appropriate. Please note that editors are volunteers. Please be patient and someone will get to your request. --Stabila711 (talk) 16:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Trincres17. It might sound picky, but I think you'll have more success at Wikipedia if you let go of the idea of "setting up a page". That is something you might do on social media or other promotional sites, but it is not what we do here: we write articles, which should be almost 100% based on what people unconnected with the subject have published about them. Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any kind, and if you do anything that suggests that you are here for that purpose you are likely to get a rough ride. --ColinFine (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, ColinFine. Thank you for the advice, and yes I am beginning to get my head around the Wikipedia processes. As for promotion though, I made a conscious and profound effort to make fully sure that the articles I set up were not promotional or biased, and that they were backed up and properly referenced with external links to media, press and radio coverage. In any case, I have submitted an article creation request, as mentioned previously it is paramount that these artists have Wikipedia pages to link accordingly to vital pages such as BBC Music and MusicBrainz. How long does it tend to take for these requests to be implemented, and would you be able to offer me any further advice for submitting these requests to make sure that they are correct and efficient, and to also help them stand a good chance of fulfilment. Thanks, Joe Trincres17 (talk) 10:03, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Trincres17. I appreciate that you are working to avoid writing the articles in a promotional way; but No, it is not "paramount" that these artists have Wikipedia pages. That is your agenda, which is a promotional one. Wikipedia has no such concern, and there is no deadline. The only way I know of to get anything done faster is by interesting somebody enough that they want to work with you. --ColinFine (talk) 11:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, ColinFine. I appreciate that you feel this is purely for promotional purposes, but I would argue, that it is in fact more informative, as both of these external platforms (BBC Music & MusicBrainz) link to Wikipedia purely so that the user can have access to important and relevant information about said artist, and it links in such a way that this information is clearly and succinctly displayed. Without these Wikipedia pages it makes none of this important information available through these platforms. Surely this fits in with Wikipedia's ethics and end goal of relaying information to the masses in an easy and readily available manner, and surely this is why these platforms decided to use Wikipedia for this purpose rather than anyone else? I don't intend to come across in anyway aggressive, I am simply trying to gain a clear understanding as I am currently a bit puzzled as to some of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Thanks, Joe Trincres17 (talk) 16:10, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

In many fields, there are dozens of fine, solid professional individuals who do their trade well but never rise to the level of notability that merits an encyclopedia article about them. We are not a trade directory, indiscriminate or selective; we neither seek nor tolerate articles about persons who don't meet our criteria, least of all articles created by a person with an obvious financial interest in seeing those persons appear in our pages. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:02, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Upload Company Logo & Associate it

Where do I go to upload and associate an image of our company logo to our company page? I'm not able to find any info on preferred file size (dimensions) or how to connect the image to this article about my company.

Page: Distil Networks

Logo: http://www.distilnetworks.com/wp-content/themes/distil/images/logo.png

Thanks!

Tony — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybdistil (talk • contribs) 17:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Tonybdistil: You can ask at Wikipedia:Files for Upload.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:16, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

It's not clear to me that this is the correct place in that i asks me to upload to Commons but this is a company logo not my artwork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybdistil (talk • contribs) 17:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Tonybdistil: Commons is the central repository for public domain images for all Wiki projects. Remember, that in order for it to be included in Wikipedia it has to follow the copyright guidelines and it has to be licensed under the proper copyright agreement. By going through files for upload another editor will check to make sure it is acceptable. In addition, please read the conflict of interest guidelines and the Terms of Use agreement. If you are expecting any monetary gains from posting on Wikipedia you must disclose that information. You should never directly edit any page you have a conflict of interest in. Remember, Wikipedia is not for promoting your company. --Stabila711 (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

LOL. Simple things made complex. I'm literally uploading a logo on behalf of my company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybdistil (talk • contribs) 17:31, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Tonybdistil: Copyright is never simple!

In the unlikely event that the company wants to make the logo free for anyone to use, Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.

Otherwise, the image will need to be licensed for appropriate WP:FAIRUSE at Wikipedia following Wikipedia:Uploading images and Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:48, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thx for the info. yeah, fair use seems correct in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybdistil (talk • contribs) 18:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Submitting a New WikiArticle for Publication

I have the article, "Waking Mike DeVine" in my sandbox. How do I publish the article, or submit the article for consideration for publications. I am not finding this in the Help Pages. Thanks. JayDavidJayDavid — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayDavidJayDavid (talk • contribs) 17:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• @JayDavidJayDavid: Well you would put {{subst:submit}} on the top of the page, but I can tell you that it most likely isn't going to be accepted in its current form. Please read the guidelines on your first article. What you have would have to be cleaned up to be appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. --Stabila711 (talk) 17:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@JayDavidJayDavid: I have added the template, so now all you would need to do is press the "submit" button. However, as Stabila711 points out, at this point the page would surely not be accepted. For starters, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a memorial so the whole tone and approach will need to be revisited. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:31, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I had no idea that you had features other than providing replies to my searches. I will check out the list on the left side of your home page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.73.76 (talk) 22:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Purchases

My name is <redacted>,I have bought things,using paypal.i haven't receive it ,money has been transferred from my account,what todo.my e mail <redacted> ==

119.235.91.63 (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.

This page is for help with editing Wikipedia.You will need to seek help from paypal, perhaps, or from the othe party to the transaction. DES ^(talk) 23:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

help

I need help I'm new Joderistheword (talk) 23:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Joderistheword: With? You are going to have to actually give us some context to what you need. As a side note, I have reverted a few of your edits. Additions of images that do not fit with the page is not appropriate. I have added a welcome message to your talk page that contains a few links to various Wikipedia guidelines. If you have any other questions, please let me know. --Stabila711 (talk) 00:09, 22 September 2015 (UTC)