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March 21

Maintaining data consistency across multiple articles

Is there a technique/insertable template for ensuring that figures quoted across multiple articles are consistent and updated en-masse? The specific example I have in mind is the altitude of Mont Blanc. It is a well-known mountain whose snow-capped summit was once regarded as having a constant height of c. 4,807 metres, but detailed GPS measurements every two years is now producing a regular change in the 'official' figures. Different pages across Wikipedia state different heights, which can't help to bolster Wikipedia's credibility. e.g. 4,810 m: Extreme points of the European Union; 4,808 m : Geography of France; 4,807 m: Retreat of glaciers since 1850;

I envisage that the discussion about what any 'official' figure is needs only to be held in one single place, then consensus agreed upon. If some sort of template code had then been inserted into every article or Infobox referring back to that agreed figure, then a change in one central discussion page would cascade to every article using that template.

I'm sure this issue must have arisen in numerous other contexts, and it would be an elegant solution to a not particularly serious but nevertheless irksome problem. I look forward to hearing that a simple solution to an annoying variance in factual statements across Wikipedia does indeed exist. Parkywiki (talk) 00:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

What you propose is obviously a good idea. I think it could be implemented by use of a template, so that a change of MB's height results in just one edit to the template (after any necessary discussion). The various pages would need editing to use the template, maybe accompanied by an html-comment warning editors not to replace the template by a height. Maproom (talk) 11:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I'll work my way through the template help pages and try to gain some technical understanding of the processes, then come back if I can't find the right way to take this forward.Parkywiki (talk) 17:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@Parkywiki: bBasically, this is all you need. If you need different outputs, then say. If you want different template's name, feel free to move it. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: Ah - as simple as that. Thanks so much. I've just tweaked it by inserting the 'convert' template to get height in feet too, which seems to work fine. Much appreciated.Parkywiki (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect facts about Thom Mayer, M.D.

There are significant incorrect facts about Dr. Thom Mayer. He DID NOT make the anthrax diagnosis as written below: A radiologist at Inova Fairfax Hospital made the x-ray diagnosis and the Laboratory identified the anthrax on the slide///NOT Dr. Mayer. Dr. Mayer has taken credit for it but he was no where near the hospital when this all unfolded. He DID NOT "notice the opaque areas on the xray and CT Scan." as stated below. His taking credit for this is scientifically inaccurate and completely unethical. Much of his so called biography is fabricated and overly exaggerated. I am appalled to see this type of inaccuracy and unethical scientific behavior. (Check carefully on his so called NFL "Concussion" expertise as well. Also totally overblown and completely exaggerated.)

During the September 11th attacks, Mayer was a Command Physicians at the Pentagon Rescue Operation at the Pentagon in Washington, DC. He also led the first team to diagnose and treat inhalation anthrax victims during the 2001 anthrax terrorist attack in Washington,[2][3] after one of the victims was admitted to the emergency room where he was department chairman. Upon the admittance of the patient, Mayer noticed opaque areas showing the lymph nodes of the patient’s chest filling with blood upon viewing their x-rays and CAT scans. Following this he view a culture of the patient’s blood taken the day before, and saw that the anthrax bacteria had become prevalent in the blood.[7][8] His team’s treatment of the patients improved their survival rate from 20% to 55%.[9] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.214.11.80 (talk) 00:44, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, although some editors who are active on this page may be able to help you, this is the page for resolving problems with editing Wikipedia (I.e. with 'coding' information etc.). The best place to raise the concerns you have are at the article talk-page (click the tab at the top left of the article) which will be more likely to be monitored by editors experienced in the field. If you have information which reveals inaccuracies in any article you are quite at liberty to edit the page yourself but you must cite a reliable source. (See WP:RS for more information). Also please sign posts on talk-pages by typing four tildes (~~~~) this will produce a signature and time-stamp. Thank you Eagleash (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Timaru Christian School

This now has year 9 with a plan to begin yr 10 in 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.69.162.91 (talk) 00:50, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, not sure what your question is, but if you have information which could be added to an article you are free to edit the page yourself, but you must cite a reliable source (see WP:RS for more information). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 01:01, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I assume this relates to List of schools in Canterbury, New Zealand#Timaru District - but as stated above please cite a reference - Arjayay (talk) 09:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

UFC 157 - 2013 in UFC

Hello,

I want to create a separate page for UFC 157. Unfortunately, it is part of the "2013 in UFC" page, but it is not supposed to be. How do I delete the "UFC 157" sub-article and create a new "UFC 157" page?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Theepicwarrior (talk • contribs) 03:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

As you rightly point out, when you click on UFC_157 a redirect takes you to the other page. However after clicking this, go to the top of the page and click on Redirected from UFC 157 which should take you to here: [1]. You can then edit this page to remove the redirect and replace it with article content. CaptRik (talk) 10:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Follow-up, the redirect is current under page protection, and the original article was previously deleted (see here - Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/UFC_157. You should carefully consider whether you can address the issues raised at deletion before creating the article. CaptRik (talk) 10:14, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 1919 Philadelphia Athletics season

Reference help requested.

1916 Philadelphia Athletics season - I am having trouble with the <ref name> citations for 2nd and 3rd citations after doing the full citation for the first time. I have included the ref name => citation in the 1st citation, but I am still gettting a message saying that the ref name has not been determined - can you help

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asd36f (talk • contribs) 05:08, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

1919 Philadelphia Athletics season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

@Asd36f: Fixed it. You called one ref name "Hollingsworth", without calling an earlier reference with details Hollingworth. See the edit history for what I did. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 07:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Getting 401s from wikimedia

I'm getting 401s attempting to download the videos on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Video_schematic_of_glymphatic_flow.ogv e.g: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/transcoded/0/06/Video_schematic_of_glymphatic_flow.ogv/Video_schematic_of_glymphatic_flow.ogv.1080p.webm

Is this the right place to report it?

- Vonfraginoff (talk) 09:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive edits from dynamic IP

Resolved

 – Listed and protected at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Netherlands_national_football_team CaptRik (talk) 10:55, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Someone keeps on editing the Netherlands national football team page, adding the wrong birthdate for one of the players (Jeroen Zoet) every time. Examples:[2],[3],[4],[5]. I can't reach out to him on his talk page because his IP is different every time, and he also completely ignore the article's talk page, edit summaries and comments inserted in the article. Is there anything that can be done about this? Kinetic37 (talk) 10:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

You can request page protection at WP:RFPP. CaptRik (talk) 10:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I will do that then. Kinetic37 (talk) 10:36, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Adding footnotes

Few days ago I tried to add footnotes, but it didn't work. In articles which have references but no footnotes, how are they added for first time? I want to see edit example. Especially for pages which have reference section, but no footnotes or notes section, as in these pages: Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard and Percy Jackson. --Greek Legend (talk) 11:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@Greek Legend: See Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: groups. —teb728 t c 09:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

@Greek Legend: Footnotes, in the Wikipedia sense, may appear in a section entitled "Notes" or "References" so Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard and Percy Jackson include footnotes. Footnotes are normally implemented with <ref>...</ref> tags. See Referencing for Beginners for more details, followed by Help:Footnotes. DES ^(talk) 11:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

DES, I think that GL is asking about a separate section of footnotes for footnotes that are not references; a few articles have that. My link describes how that can be done. —teb728 t c 21:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

If that is what Greek Legend, was asking about your answer was exactly the information needed, teb728. I didn't think that it was, because the two example pages listed above (Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard and Percy Jackson) both have ordinary reference footnotes in a section headed "References", and neither has any footnotes that are not references. DES ^(talk) 22:40, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Deceased Wikipedian process

Wikimedia received an email via OTRS that User:CaesarsPalaceDude has passed away. I know we have some procedure but I don’t recall what it is. I suspect that the first step is more formal evidence than an email; I can follow up on that can someone remind me of the general process?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:12, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines. —Cryptic 13:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:43, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

How exactly do I use CSS?

I keep reading around wikipedia trying to figure out how to use CSS. I keep running into circles. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to customize my userpage using css. Right now I'm experimenting with CSS Here but my problem is when I include the CSS file, all it does is show the code instead of rendering the design of the links on the sandbox. The other day, somehow I had it to where the CSS file was working but it was turning all the links the color I wanted yes, but even the ones outside the page. It even turned the Wikipedia image to the top-left a different color. Not what I wanted. Really all I want to do is manipulate the a:link, a:hover, a:visited, and all that. I know how to code using CSS it's the getting to work part that is the problem. Outside of wikipedia, The way to do it is <style="type/css"> CSS code goes here </style>. Trying to figure it out on my own is hard because all the links I click on doesn't go into detail on how to use CSS and is confusing. If I could find a page or a userpage that uses CSS I could use that as an example. Also, when I use css to customize my userpage, is it only that I can see it or everyone else? Because if only I can see it, then there is no use for me using it. And please don't just send me a link on how to use CSS on wikipedia because I've looked thoroughly at many and I wind up in circles and they don't go into detail. This is really a last resort. Thanks. —Preceding undated comment added 15:52, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

@BookPortal: answer to is it only that I can see it? is yes - only you will see those fancy links. OK, others also would see them, if they include those CSS rules to their .css files. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I need to talk, and this is an important issue.

I'll try to make this story short: I am distributing some European healthcare product in US, actually it name Detensor and according to European clinical trials it is very helpful back pain treatment with over 85% of success and absolutely without negative side effects. When I take a look in Wikipedia I did not find any information about such a great opportunity for back pain sufferers. I'd trying several times to publish articles in regards of method, not commercial advertisement. But somebody with with perseverance worthy of a better deleted it. I believe it is either by purpose to not to talk about the new procedure for the United States in favor of competitors, or simply stupidity. With this approach, you need to remove articles about everything that concerns the consumer market: Coca Cola, Mercedes-Benz, Massage chair. Because all of them are selling and belongs to the consumer goods category.

Or more specific category, in Traction (orthopedics) article are mentioned different competitor's products:

• Milwaukee brace
• Bryant's traction
• Buck's traction, involving skin traction. It is widely used for femoral fractures, low back pain, acetabular fractures and hip fractures.[2] Skin traction rarely causes fracture reduction, but reduces pain and maintains the length of the bone.[2]
• Dunlop's traction – humeral fractures in children
• Russell's traction

But Detensor was several times deleted. I'll be greatly appreciated you answer and help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvulfov (talk • contribs) 17:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

You have been adding promotional content to Wikipedia articles, sourced only to the producer's own web site. Another editor has, quite properly, been removing your additions. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and should not be used for promotion. Maproom (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Alvulfov. Wikipedia may not be used to tell the world about anything, no matter how wonderful that thing may be (and irrespective of whether it is commercial or not). That is simply not its purpose, and is incompatible with its purpose. Once your product has been discussed in depth by several people who have no connection with it, published in reliables sources, then there can be an article about it in Wikipedia (though you are discouraged from writing that article, because your conflict of interest may make it difficult for you to see whether the language is neutral or not. But until such material has been published, Wikipedia will not take notice of it, however hard you try. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer, But first of all it was no any commercial information in our last attempt and the comment was that it is suspicious that several attempts to publish happened in the short time frame. How about that?

And another issue - if I will write 100% neutered article how to be sure in regards of approval? Do you have any special email or something to send it for serious inspection? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.34.98.79 (talk) 19:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Even if you write a 100% neutral article (not neutered, I hope), you are unlikely to gain approval because the product is not notable in the special Wikipedia sense until it has been written about in independent reliable sources published elsewhere. Dbfirs 21:13, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

If you want to get approval of an article, what you should do is to create it in draft space (See WP:Drafts) and submit it to Articles for Creation for review. There is no email back-door to get articles approved. However, as noted above, if the product is not considered notable, it won't be approved. If you can find multiple independent reliable sources, that will establish notability. If not, not. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

It appears that the article has been deleted twice with two different names. Detensor was speedy-deleted. The Detensor was deleted today after a deletion discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I think it's possibly also worth carefully reading this too - Identifying Reliable Sources (medicine). CaptRik (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The OP states "and this is an important issue" Sure it is for the manufacturer of this contrivance but surly the much more important issue than this, is to educate people that for this type of back pain the best cure (and more inexpensive and more effective one) is prevention. I.e., avoid siting all day in a chair without proper lumber support, wearing high heels shoes every day etc. This article smacks at taking advertorial advantage of those that are ignorant of ergonomics. So it has no place on an encyclopaedia. Keep it deleted.--Aspro (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Hindi films

I worked in hindi movie "aap mujhe ache lagne lage" as a production manager & also acted in it (in mc donald scene ) winkpedia does not show my name why ? Also in other movie "budha mar gya" also having the same issue with this movie ...as u can also check the content of both the movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaideepbandhu (talk • contribs) 18:52, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

English-language Wikipedia does not have any article named "aap mujhe ache lagne lage" or "budha mar gya". Can you tell us what article you are referring to? Maproom (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

To build on that, we generally don't credit production managers. I have asked for us to do so, but there wasn't consensus at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Film. It's been a few weeks (or maybe months) since the last time it was bought up, so maybe it could be brought up again. Second, per WP:FILMCAST, cast lists are generally restricted to people who have a substantial role. We link to the IMDb so that people can find full cast lists. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

This is only your second edit at this Wikipedia, so I would infer that you are asking about the Hindi Wikipedia. If so, you should discuss at the Hindi Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

What is Good Faith edits?

Sometimes when I edit on wikipedia, I see others revert my edits and say they were "good faith". I wanted to know what that means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurocus47 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

• It means that you make edits which are problematic but not vandalism, or more generally most likely not done with ill intent.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

WP:AGF is a behavioural guideline on Wikipedia, which states that editors must attempt to assume that other editors (in particular new ones) could be making innocent mistakes, or are unaware of certain policies and guidelines, when they edit in a problematic manner. --Ches (talk) (contribs) 21:02, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

One of the more common reasons for reverting a good-faith edit is that it is unsourced. It means, as noted above, that other editors think that the edit is problematic, as in violating some Wikipedia policy such as verifiability. If another editor reverts your edit with an edit summary saying only "rv good faith edit", that isn't particularly helpful, and I would advise asking them politely, either on the article talk page or on their talk page, why they are reverting your edit. If they cite a policy, such as "revert good-faith unsourced edit", that explains that. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to add that it generally also means that nobody is terribly upset with the change, just you need to make it fit with our policies. Zell Faze (talk) 22:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

US Wiknic Organiser

Does anyone know who organises the Great American Wiknic every year. I run one every year and am trying to do some long term planning and am hoping to find when abouts (beyond July/Aug) that this years will be held. Zell Faze (talk) 22:23, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Is it possible to search within my contributions?

Hi, I would like to search within my contributions to find a page category. Is it possible? Thanks in advance.--Carnby (talk) 22:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I know that you can search the edit summaries from your contributions, you can do that here. Don't know if that might help you find what you are looking for? Zell Faze (talk) 22:49, 21 March 2016 (UTC)