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August 9

Should I create a seperate page?

Greetings! I have a question regarding the creation of a new page. You see, a school I am currently following up, has changed names and became a "different school." In this case, what would I do? Still, edit the page under the new name, or create a separate page?

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Careers_High_School — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAngelWolf (talk • contribs) 00:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@TheAngelWolf: If the "old" school evolved into the new school, just change the name. This is done by "moving" the article to the new name using the "move" tab in the "more" tab at the top of the page. Then, modify the article to describe this evolution. However, this article needs some references, or someone is going to nominate it for deletion for lack of assertion of notability. See WP:N. You need multiple independent reliable sources with substantial coverage. If a deletion happens, the content might best be merged into the article on the host school. -Arch dude (talk) 03:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorting out archive talk pages

Is there any software that can sort talk page archives into a more chronological format? The order of the discussions at Talk:Ursula K. Le Guin/Archive 1 and Talk:Ursula K. Le Guin/Archive 2 is all scrambled (disclosure: I contributed to this mess). I was going to try to put it into some sort of of order, but got pretty discouraged. I’m going to add auto-archiving to the talk page so that the rest of the archives will be orderly. Meanwhile, is there anything that can help with the order of the existing archives? — Gorthian (talk) 01:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Lupton family

Ref number 147 is in red. I cannot fix it because I cannot see the mistake on my tiny device. Please try to fix it up if you can Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 02:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed (Febraury → February) 107.15.157.44 (talk) 05:57, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Is every veteran user Can transmit the draft To an article space?

? שים שלום (talk) 04:12, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, most editors are able to move a draft to article space. But if this is about Draft:Yisroel Zev Mintzberg, I would advise against such a move, as it would then be in danger of deletion. It appears to have machine-translated, and is poorly referenced. I've improved the style of citation for the second reference, but the page range needs checking. It's unclear what is being cited in the first reference – is "Chapter of the Old City" the name of a book? Maproom (talk) 06:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I do not speak English as a mother tongue, but I did my best, can you clarify which part needs improvement? Thanks שים שלום (talk) 13:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Sentence structure can be improved. For example, it appears to claim that his father was born at the age of five. (Most people would understand what you meant, of course.) Dbfirs 14:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I improved the article and expanded it, needed more? שים שלום (talk) 15:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I've improved the sentence structure and punctuation for you. Why is the book "she'rit Israel" not mentioned in publications? Was that the title?

You need to add better references, preferably with page numbers, so that a reader can easily check the facts. Dbfirs 06:38, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and attention, I corrected the references, I have no more to add. I fixed the problem with the book,

will we need anything else before the article is published? sim shalom (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

The first reference appears to be to a book titled Head of the Mintzberg Family in Palestine. Is that correct? Can you supply its ISBN? The page range for the second reference is still wrong. Maproom (talk) 06:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

No isbn to this book, it's a private expense, what the problem whit the second reference? sim shalom (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I see you've fixed the problem with the page range. Maproom (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

so it's ready? Thank you for your help sim shalom (talk) 15:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I would advise against submitting it for review yet. Three or more references are generally recommended to establish notability. The draft has only two, and one of them (if I understand you correctly) is to a privately-published book. Maproom (talk) 21:35, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Article submission

Dear Sir I have submitted the revised page of Dr DK Aswal as per the advice of wikipedia editor on 07th Aug 2019. I have not received any acknowledgment as yet and the page has not been published. Here is the URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Abhinpl/sandbox#The_Indian_Physicist_Dr_DK_Aswal Kindly publish ASAP and suggest any revision, if required. Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Abhinpl/sandbox#The_Indian_Physicist_Dr_DK_Aswal

You did not request a new review. Ruslik_Zero 06:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Abhinpl/sandbox needs a lot of work before it can be accepted as an article. Much of its contents is duplicated. It lists 390 of his published works – that is far too many, ten would be enough. And, above all, it cites no sources. Maproom (talk) 06:59, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Also, there is a gargantuan backlog of drafts awaiting evaluation. There are 1800+ just for those over eight weeks old. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Lupton family

Near reference number 34, there is the link on the name Beechwood - the link should be on Roundhay, not Gledhow which it currently is. Please fix this link as I cannot on this device. Thanks 175.33.248.139 (talk) 06:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done Ruslik_Zero 06:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

The title I want to propose is already listed as the title of a book

The existing title Xenocide, gives an extensive synopsis of the book, which is totally unrelated to the article I wish to propose.

How do I navigate this issue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephendsmith1967 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Stephendsmith1967: Without knowing the subject of your article, the typical way would be to disambiguate as "Xenocide (description of your subject)". The book could then be moved to "Xenocide (book)" or left as the primary topic if it sufficiently prominent. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 07:12, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Stephendsmith1967: Eagleash covered it well, but for the gory details, look at Wikipedia:Disambiguation. In your specific case, I think you should create your new page as Xenocide (your dab) and let it sit for awhile to make sure it will not get challenged or deleted. Then, move the current article Xenocide article to Xenocide (book) and change Xenocide into a disambiguation page. You then have the "joy" of modifying all incoming links to the existing page. -Arch dude (talk) 16:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Can you give us some indication of the subject matter of your proposed article? Because if you're going to propose a neologism "xenocide", you're in the wrong place. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:46, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Formatting in a quote

Any idea why, in the quoted block in the middle of this article, the first line isn't in italics, and the rest is? The code all seems OK to me. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 13:13, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hogyn Lleol, the text is sent through Template:Trim quotes which strips the surrounding quotation marks (even the '' we use for italics). I think you can wrap the text in <i></i>, but I think not using italics would also look fine. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:29, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

There are ways to get around the intentional stripping of italics but MOS:ITALQUOTE says "Don't use italics for quotations." PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll just get rid of the italic code then. Ta. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Account deletion

How do I delete my account? This is far too wasteful on my time to input a simple bit of data. I have verified many erroneous items, but just don't have the time to waste trying to correct/input new data. I would have contributed money to the site, but 6trying to that was a bit too convoluted, and to invasive to my personal data just for trying to help out financially. So now having to waste more time just trying to remove/delete my account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TIMEWASTINGONWIKIPEDI (talk • contribs) 13:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

It is not possible to delete an account, but you can just stop using it, and this amounts to the same thing. Any donations are to the Wikimedia Foundation, not to Wikipedia, but that organisation provides the servers that run Wikipedia, so donations there are appreciated. We are sorry that you found the process unpalatable. Dbfirs 13:57, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how you thought you were going to be able to donate to the Foundation without giving any information. 331dot (talk) 14:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Can we suggest to the Foundation that they allow anonymous donations? I can donate anonymously to Wikimedia UK through the Charities Aid Foundation. Dbfirs 14:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I think Bitcoin is anonymous? You can donate Bitcoin: https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give#Bitcoin. There's also a mailing address there, so you could mail cash anonymously. RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Anglo-Maasai Treaty of 1904

This is not the proper name of this treaty, which is the Masai Treaty or Masai Agreement. Masai was the colonial-era anglicised spelling, which should be used in this instance, though Maasai is the proper spelling. Maasai themselves wrongly refer to it as the Anglo-Maasai Agreement, and so do the Kenyan media, but this is NOT correct. The same applies to the Masai Treaty or Agreement of 1911. I am a world expert on this subject (studied it for my Oxford University PhD). Source: Moving the Maasai: A Colonial Misadventure, by Lotte Hughes (Palgrave Macmillan 2006) Also, G R Sandford, An Administrative and Political History of the Masai Reserve (Waterlow & Sons 1919) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lotte Hughes (talk • contribs) 13:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses whatever the reliable sources use. See WP:COMMONNAME for details. You could suggest the move to the older name on the talk page of the article. Dbfirs 14:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lotte Hughes:We value your input and your expertise, but not for the reason you would expect. Our editorial philosophy is to crowdsource using massive numbers of anonymous editors. It follows that we must require citation to reliable sources for all editors. Your expertise will make it trivially easy for you to find and cite these sources. If you are not comfortable with the mechanics of editing an article, then please make suggestion (with your sources!) on the article's talk page. In this case, even if consensus is to use the existing article name, your information about the official name should be in the body of the article. -Arch dude (talk) 15:02, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Accessibility Issue - Applying ARIA Attribute

Hello - I've been reviewing the Wikipedia site for tips on applying ARIA accessibly html attributes. I noticed an issue that does not conform to the WCAG Working Group. The attribute in question is aria-expanded.

Using aria-expanded to indicate the state of a collapsible element (link to article)
When authors use collapsible content, for example, to hide navigation menus or lists of content, the triggering link or button should indicate to screen reader users whether the collapsible content below is in the expanded or in the collapsed state. The aria-expanded attribute is used for this purpose.

On the Wikipedia site, this particular attribute is applied to collapsible content container, not the triggering link or button. Is this also acceptable? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KennySomm (talk • contribs) 17:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, KennySomm. It's good that somebody is looking at this. I don't know (and I suspect most of the people who answer questions here don't know) about such implementation details: a better place to ask would be at WP:VPT. --ColinFine (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Possible conflict of interest

Hi,

I have noticed that an editor or two may have a conflict of interest. One user is HeathX (their contributions are here: [1]), while the other is this IP address Special:Contributions/144.163.63.135. I find it strange that the only articles that both of them have edited are related to the upcoming 2020 United States Senate election in Alabama. Thanks for any help. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, David O. Johnson. Many thanks for your astute eye on the article, which they are attempting to manipulate for their preferred candidate.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:03, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Publish requires capture code - can’t input with safari on ipad

Can’t publish as capture code keeps getting « wrong code » — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB19:561:7F00:563:6006:ABB3:8FAB (talk) 18:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Admittedly our CAPTCHA system is very inefficient for some reasons. You should try again at another time or simply create an account to stop seeing it at all. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

? How do I know my article has been submitted from my Sandbox

Hi All I am very new to Wikipedia and am trying to get an article reviewed. I placed it in my Sandbox and clicked on Submit Your Article for Review. IThat was on the 6th of August. I have no way to tell if the article has been submitted, and am not sure if it was. How can I tell? I did read that it may take around 8 weeks for it to be reviewed and a publication decision to be made orabout revisions or acceptance. How do I know if this is in process and I successfully submitted my article. It was about a new word: Reflexibility Can someone kindly advise me if I needed to take any further steps to submit my article? Warm regards Dr Liz Rix Dr Liz Rix (talk) 21:14, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Dr Liz Rix, you haven't submitted the article for review yet. You must click "Submit Your Article for Review" and then hit "Publish changes". – Thjarkur (talk) 21:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

You didn't submit it for review. You'll need to click on the submission button again, but not until you have sorted out the referencing. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Reflexibility is not a new word. It was used by Isaac Newton in 1673 and by William Herschel in 1808, but you have a new meaning for it. Your submission is likely to be rejected unless you add WP:Reliable sources. Dbfirs 06:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dr Liz Rix: Please read Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. It covers new words, among other things.-Arch dude (talk) 15:22, 10 August 2019 (UTC)