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February 9

article about a company didnt get approval

Hi,

I have uploaded an article regarding a shipping company based in Singapore which was established way back 1963. My last edit was last year and I want to revisit it again and try to upload it. Kindly assist me on how to get it approved.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thechaicruz (talk • contribs) 01:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thechaicruz A Wikipedia article must only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Your draft only has two sources- and those sources only describe announcements of routine business transactions, which, along with staff interviews, brief mentions, and press releases, do not establish notability. Please see Your First Article for more information. If there are few or no independent reliable sources with significant coverage, your company would not merit an article at this time. Not every company does, even within the same field. 331dot (talk) 01:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Thechaicruz: Looks like you created Draft:Thome and Vixaquay created Draft:Thome Group. You need more independent reliable sources to show how this company meets WP:NCORP. The {{UserboxCOI}} template should be on your user page. GoingBatty (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

citations

how to I site a source which is a picture as opposed to a url? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosenberg.suzanne (talk • contribs) 02:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Citing a graphics file is rarely appropriate, Rosenberg.suzanne. If you identify the file here and say how you hope to use it, somebody here will give you advice. -- Hoary (talk) 02:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Images are rarely, if ever, acceptable sources, as they provide no context to be usable as sources. If you're trying to cite a newspaper clipping, cite the paper itself instead. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 07:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

carl weather's death.

Carl weathers died October 21 2020. His wicki needs updating — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.52.177 (talk) 02:21, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Source? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 03:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Hoax. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 05:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Article Creation

How come when an article is created through a redlink, it doesn't get submitted to Afc and simply becomes an article? And if it does go to Afc, how come it doesn't say "Draft:" when it's made? Microwavedfork (talk) 06:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Because that implies the creator thinks it's a notable subject and creates an article, not a draft. Afc is for when you're not sure or you have a conflict of interest. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I would give a rather different asnwer from Clarityfiend, Microwavedfork. I would say it's because that possibility was around long before Drafts were invented, and has never been updated. I think there's a case for saying that the dialogue you get when you click on a redlink should by default create it as a draft, and give you a button to say "Yes, I want to create it directly in main space, and I'm confident that I can do a good enough job first time". --ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Colin. The current state of things is a historical hangover. Maproom (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. That clears things up. Microwavedfork (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Editing assistance requested for article about non-profit

Hey there,

I'm not feeling confident about creating an article for a non profit org that I work for...my head is still spinning from all the info about article creation/editing. How do I find that ethical someone to write the article for that org? Cheers Eb--Envirobabe (talk) 07:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Envirobabe: You might mention the name of the org so someone can at least comment on whether they appear to be notable by Wikipedia's standards. This is the primary thing that needs to be determined (the foundation, if you will), since without that, an article cannot be created (and wouldn't be able to have any significant content anyway, since there will not exist the reliable sources on which to base the article). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Envirobabe: You can also try posting at the appropriate location in Wikipedia:Requested articles, but there's no guarantee that anyone will choose to create it. GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

How to sort porn actors articles according to their first edit?

How to sort porn actors articles according to their first edit?

I find these list but I want list according to first edit Rizosome (talk) 07:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: I assume you mean you want a list of articles about pornographic actors sorted by page creation date, not by the actors' own edits (which we have no way of knowing). Try this PetScan for Category:Pornographic film actors ordered by page ID (which should be issued approximately in time sequence) descending (i.e., newest first).

BTW, it's helpful to other editors if, when posting a link to a Wikipedia article on a discussion page, you use wikilinks (e.g., [[List of pornographic performers by decade]], not external links to the mobile pages (as you did above), so they get the appropriate color link, go to the desktop site for non-mobile users, show up in Special:WhatLinksHere, survive page moves, etc. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

How to use PET Scan ? I am beginner. Please elaborate on this. Rizosome (talk) 16:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: When you go to Wikipedia:PetScan, you'll see that the first sentence says "For instructions, see the Manual for PetScan (on Meta-Wiki)." GoingBatty (talk) 04:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: Use the link I provided (this), which already contains the necessary field values. Just click the "Do it!" button at the bottom. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I want to learn each fields in Pet scan. Manual for PetScan is confusing to learn. Rizosome (talk) 14:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

How to edit a page that is locked?

Dear users,

i'm stumbled upon a page that is locked but includes fake information. How do i unlock and undue this page from false information?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A210:A400:B000:586:48B3:937F:394A (talk) 08:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

You may make an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page of the relevant article. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state; we don't deal in truth, but in what can be verified, see WP:TRUTH. 331dot (talk) 08:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Logo appears without image code

I'm perplexed by the article Wellendorff, where the company appears in the infobox...without any code to include it: "logo = " is blank. I went so far as to remove all of the infobox code while in preview mode,and the image is still there. The image's file name does not appear anywhere in the wikicode. Any ideas? Possibly (talk) 10:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly: Since 2019, {{Infobox company}} has been coded to pick up the logo name from Wikidata if the fields are blank in the infobox. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:04, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@John of Reading: thanks! I thought that might be the case, but did not see it mentioned in template:infobox company. Possibly (talk) 11:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly: I've updated the documentation. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:13, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

You're a star, thanks. Possibly (talk) 11:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox draft

Hi i have published my article and i am waiting for any message from wikipedia's side. How long will it take for my page to appear on wikipedia? can anyone help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mivida2021 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

hi sir/mam, I have published my article titled - "Canadian Chamber of Commerce Egypt"in sandbox and waiting for a response. How can i submit my draft for a review. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mivida2021/sandbox&oldid=1005800169 kindly help. Thanks. Mivida2021 Mivida2021 (talk) 13:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Mivida2021, there is a review backlog, so it can take anywhere from three days to three months. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mivida2021: The draft has not yet been submitted for review as far as I can see. You can dop this by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of the 'markup'. This will produce a submission notice and it will be reviewed in due course. As noted above, there can be a delay before this takes place. Eagleash (talk) 14:16, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mivida2021. It's likely that when the page is reviewed, after you submit through the AfC submission template Eagleash has advised of above, it will be declined for being (mostly) unsourced. At Wikipedia, we don't properly record what we know in our heads, but mostly summarize what reliable, secondary, independent sources say about a subject, citing as we write the sources where we get our information (without copying the exact words). Doing so verifies the information content, and demonstrates the notability of the subject. Where did you get the information that you wrote in the draft?

By the way, the draft reads to me like it might have been translated from a foreign Wikipedia article. I don't know if that's correct, but if it is, it's missing copyright attribution. This is easily fixed. If relevant, please see Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate (shortcut: WP:HOWTRANS) and then Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Repairing insufficient attribution (shortcut: WP:RIA). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Agreed, it has almost zero chance of acceptance without substantial improvement. Eagleash (talk) 17:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Moving a draft to a name that currently exists as a redirect

Is there an easy way to move a draft page to an article that is currently a redirect? I've submitted a technical request, but I feel there is an easier way to do this. Courtesy link: Draft:Paper Mario (series). Panini^🥪 15:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey Panini!. Can't think of any. Another way to do this, but that doesn't seem easier, is to use {{db-move}}. But WP:RMTR is a dedicated place for such a request, monitored mostly by people who know how to take care of relevant issues on moves and will see your request; you copy the {{rmassist}} template, plug in three parameters; save; usually within a few minutes it's taken care of; here within about ten minutes. Easy-peasy. By contrast, db-move is much more likely to possibly sit around for a few hours or more. Also, it appears a history swap was in order and done. If a move requires knowledge and tools that aren't in your own wheelhouse, then it becomes much more complicated to request the steps be taken care of than a single RMTR request. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:04, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

translating my article in English into French and Italian

dear all, I have translated my article about San Michele in Teverina from English to French fr.wikipedia and Italian it.wikipedia and would like to have your review many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serbelloni (talk • contribs) 17:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Serbelloni. It would make much more sense for you to ask at fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux and it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. Even if people here can read French and Italian, they are unlikely to be familiar with the specific requirements of fr-wiki and it-wiki. --ColinFine (talk) 18:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Personal Life Update

I am no longer married to Deran Sarafian and would like Wiki to reflect my divorce. Here is a link to the public records which reflect this.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la2-laurie-fortier-vs-deran-sarafian-890649

Please tell me if this will suffice e or if there is something else you need?

Sincerely, Laurie Fortier — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vegas4026 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

It would be better to have an independent reliable source with this information; court documents are considered primary sources. Is there a court log in a newspaper, or legal notices website in your jurisdiction with this information? 331dot (talk) 20:11, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Vegas4026: Hi there! Per the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, you should not be editing the Laurie Fortier article directly. You may post a request on the article talk page, Talk:Laurie Fortier, using the {{request edit}} template and providing an independent reliable source. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:16, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

This a persistent issue with lower-profile WP:BLPs, where mainstream sourcing doesn't report things like divorces, and updated numbers of children. I don't have an answer for it, but I do know it's awkward when there's no reliable secondary source reporting of developments like this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia addressable?

Dear Wikipedia,

I use Wikipedia regularly and sometimes "react" using the Talk page. But many times I must conclude that the writer is not addressable for conversation but, in the reverse of that, dictates.

Is that your way of doing?

Regards.

PS. I am not afraid to point myself with my IP address. Paranoia has its spread all enough.

145.129.136.48 (talk) 21:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

The purpose of the talk page is to provide space for people to discuss changes to the article. This is different from a space for people to "react". So, perhaps you found something in the article confusing, it would be appropriate to point out on the talk page that "the section of the article that talks about X is confusing." Or if there was important information you felt was missing from the article, that would be an appropriate thing to put on the talk page, or conversely, if you thought the article was too detailed you could mention on the talk page what you think needs to be trimmed. On the other hand, comments like "You can live with an Agnostic attitude but that is not a philosophy nor an ideology," on Talk:Agnosticism are not about the article, they are about the subject and thus are not appropriate.

Also, you mentioned that you conclude that "the writer" (of the Wikipedia article) "is not addressable for conversation". Most Wikipedia articles don't have any one particular writer. They are a communal effort. Some people closely follow developments on articles they have contributed a lot to, others don't. Comments on the talk page are addressed to anyone who is interested in improving the article, though if there is a particular person you want to address them to, you can use a ping to send them a notification encouraging them to look at the talk page.

I hope this helps you understand talk pages and their function in Wikipedia. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk pages are not for general discussion with the "the author" about the content of the article. They are for discussing how to improve the article. Furthermore, the original creator of an article has no more (or less) control over an article's contents that does any other editor, including you, and most articles therefore are the result of collaboration among multiple editors. If you think the article needs to be changed to improve it, you should suggest changes on the talk page, but you will be ignored unless you cite reliable sources. -Arch dude (talk) 21:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Richard Skinner (broadcaster)

I keep having to correct inaccurate edits to the page regarding my life and career - a problem that has continued for some years - for instance my date of birth has been repeatedly changed to 1954 when I was born on December 26 1951. I keep correcting the errors - most recently today (February 9th 2021) but they keep being reinstated. Please stop these inaccuracies! The page as it stands - at 21:17 on Feb 9 2021 - is accurate. Although I would add an entry that explains that I have worked for - and still do - In Flight Broadcasting (now Global Eagle) presenting shows for airplane entertainment from 1973 to the present day. Thank you. Richard Skinner 90.201.7.227 (talk) 21:21, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Someone from this IP address made a series of unreferenced changes to Richard Skinner (broadcaster) and did not explain them using edit summaries. They were reverted because this pattern of editing is usually vandalism. Even if your edits priovided the correct infrmation, you should not be directly editing this article at all (see WP:COI), but instead making recommendation on its talk page, tagged with {{edit request}}. Make sure you cite sources,or the edits will not be done. -Arch dude (talk) 21:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

It looks like the article has never cited any source for Richard Skinner's date of birth, but the first version of the article puts it at 1951. It looks like the problems started in November when Arbor to SJ removed the birthdate because it was unsourced. He then engaged in what appears to be original research, noting in an edit summary that "Skinner was 19 in 1973, making his birth year approx. 1954," and adding the 1954 date, also without a source. It looks like over the past few months there has been a cycle of IPs attempting to fix the birthdate, without citing sources, and editors assuming their efforts are vandalism and reverting to the 1954 date, which is also unsourced. The best option at this point would be for anyone interested in the matter to locate a reliable source for his date of birth and cite it. In the mean time, I will remove the unsourced date of birth. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Ako Akhalaia

Hello Dear Wikipedia, I am writing as the author of an article - Draft:Ako Akhalaia. I, myself, am One of the contributors and editors of Georgian Wikipedia. It’s been a while since my submitted article is in the drafts section. You say that person - Ako Akhalaia does not meet the recognition criteria, and the article needs additional resources. Fifteen certified links accompany the article. Here are the leading media agencies of Georgia, the Public Broadcaster, etc. He is Also the official Representative of the Cannes Lions Festival in Georgia + Publisher of Harvard Business Review. This person is the founder of the most popular Marketing magazine in Georgia. His awareness in this area is very high. You can quickly check and verify this. We want to make sure that he can be found in the English Wikipedia as well, so if you do not mind, please, review the article again and help us as colleagues publish the article. I really appreciate any help you can provide.--გიორგი ჩუბინიძე (talk) 23:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

This is also posted to the Teahouse. Please don't post the same question in multiple places. RudolfRed (talk) 23:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)