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June 23

need to correct info

Pls correct the driving system of the Bangladesh . it will be . right hand driving not left — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.124.169.171 (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

The information is correct; the heading is somewhat ambiguous. Here "driving side" means side of the road on which all vehicles must travel, which of course is "left". It does not refer to the side of the vehicle most commonly occupied by the driver, which would be "right". Doug butler (talk) 02:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Is wikinew.wiki a shady imposter?

I was googling for something in Japanese, and one result was on https://ja.wikinew.wiki, which resembles Wikipedia in appearance, but has cookies, a banner ad (I have an ad blocker, so I don't know what ad), SMS sharing buttons, etc. I searched Google for just the base domain "wikinew.wiki", and initially all the hits were Japanese with the ja subdomain (perhaps detecting that I'm physically in Japan). Googling "en.wikinew.wiki" turned up English pages, but the topics were really obscure (as were the Japanese ones). The site calls itself Wikipedia and uses a color version of your globe logo, a very Wikipedia-like appearance, and even your footer verbatim. But below the footer, it says:

This Page Is Based On The Copyrighted Wikipedia Article [topic] (Authors); It Is Used Under The Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License. You May Redistribute It, Verbatim Or Modified, Providing That You Comply With The Terms Of The Cc-By-Sa.

When I click on the rumored article (which has a URL of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wiki/[topic] - note the double "wiki"), the resulting real Wikipedia page says, "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name." If I remove the extra "wiki", then I find the real article that wikinew.wiki is mimicking.

I can't tell if they have your header (Article/Talk...Search), because where it would be is obscured by a cookie agreement banner, and I have no interest in agreeing to cookies on a sketchy website. The fact that Google doesn't have any common topics (even though they appear to exist on the site) seems like an attempt to "fly under the radar" - apparently they use robots.txt or something similar to deliberately keep Google from indexing more normal topics. It all smells very, very fishy. 121.84.89.220 (talk) 08:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for the heads-up, but there is absolutely no reason to be alarmed. There are many, many, many mirrors and forks of Wikipedia around the web. Some of those are just (automated) copy-pastes with ads on top, but that is one of the uses our license allows, and this example probably complies with our license due to the footer.

The Wikimedia Foundation might have something to say about the use of the Wikipedia globe logo because of trademarks, but otherwise, there is nothing to be done. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:28, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

• Okay, thanks for the explanation. This was the first time I had run into one of those monetizing mirrors. 121.84.89.220 (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Wrong logo

Hello

How do I change the logo on the St Paul's Juniors page. You currently have the old logo for Colet Court which hasn't existed for a long time and it is also still pulling through to our google listings which is proving very unhelpful. I tried to upload the file but it won't let me. It keeps giving me an error message which says we can't determine if this is suitable for upload to wikipedia commons. Can we please resolve this.

Thank you,

Jessica — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPS JMS (talk • contribs) — SPS JMS (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Courtesy link: St Paul's Juniors (which was formerly known as Colet Court). AndrewWTaylor (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

SPS JMS, logos don't go on Commons, they go on WP itself. Follow this link Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard and chose "Upload a non-free file" (then "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." then "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc."). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

When will my Sandbox page be searchable?

Can someone review my newly revised draft? at this point I don't know where i'm going wrong. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weknoweverything21 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Weknoweverything21, I assume you mean Draft:The Grosse Pointe News. Check WP:NORG, that is your first hurdle. If you have those sources, use them in the draft. If not, edit something else. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:54, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

And if WP:COI applies to you, please follow the guidance there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

make a new article

Can someone please start a page for the movie HoneyBee from 2016?

You can request someone start it at WP:RA, but it's probably faster if you find reliable sources and think about creating a draft. See WP:YFA for more details. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Username list

With the link to "User rights", I used to be able to see in a list all accounts that started with a particular set of characters. Right now, it shows this. If I manually remove the &limit" from the URL, it seems to work, but why does it use that at all? What should I do differently? (If I change the characters after I've removed the limit=, it then does it with a limit of 50.)--Bbb23 (talk) 15:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23, when I look up the same thing (i.e. by typing "Bbb" at Special:ListUsers), I get this, with a limit of 500. This should be tied to the Number of edits to show in recent changes, page histories, and in logs, by default preference at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rc – what value do you have set there? --Blablubbs|talk 15:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Blablubbs: I have 50, but that triggers two questions. As my first diff above shows, the first time I did it, it defaulted to a limit of 1; and is there any way to break this down, e.g., only 50 in Recent changes but a larger number when doing this, or better still, override whatever I have when I'm in the interface itself (without modifying the URL)? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bbb23, I don't think there's a way to break down the preference (at least not in Special:Preferences), but you should see buttons next to the page selectors at the top and bottom of the list that allow you to select how many users to show (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500). Also, I think I may have skipped over a crucial part of your question: Can you clarify which "user rights" link you're talking about? --Blablubbs|talk 16:10, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Blablubbs: Aha! I was thinking the limit would be before I hit Show, but the buttons to the right of the one user I get will be fine. We're using the same page. I get there, for example, by looking at any user's contributions and clicking on the link "User rights" at the bottom. I still don't understand why mine defaults to one, but .... --Bbb23 (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that one – yeah, I get a limit of 1 there too, but not when I query something manually at Special:ListUsers, so it seems to just be a mediawiki default; if it bothers you enough, you could probably work around it with a userscript or a redirector browser plugin (I use this one to redirect all CentralAuth links to meta for example), but it's probably not worth the effort. --Blablubbs|talk 16:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

That limit comes from Template:Sp-contributions-footer; you could try and get consensus for changing it there. Alternatively, a user script like this should do the trick:

$('#sp-contributions-footer .hlist .external[href*="Special:ListUsers"]').each(function() {
  var url = new URL(this.href);
  url.searchParams.delete("limit");
  this.href = url;
})

– Rummskartoffel 17:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I think the link at the bottom of user contributions has always said limit=1. It was deliberately added like that in 2008.[1] All the links are for the given user, not users with similar names. I would oppose changing it. Maybe you are thinking of other ways you have reached Special:ListUsers without specifying limit=1. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:Thanks, I wasn't planning on requesting a change; didn't seem like a good idea to me. Now that I understand better how it works, I don't see a problem leaving it as is.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:44, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

How Do I Retrieve Archived Info that's Disappeared From Wiki?

I have a client (an individual) that has had a wikipedia bio online for years.

While we were working with the wiki team to make some updates, the page just disappeared from online and now says it's 'archived,' and when we inquire w/ the wiki team, no one responds via email, within their portal or via phone.

How do we get it back online? Or get in touch with someone at wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.58.94.49 (talk) 15:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

What was the name of the article? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Can you tell us what the title of the article was? Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

And who are this "wiki team" of which you speak? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Looks like you've just got in touch with someone. However, we are not 'at Wikipedia' in a sense nobody here is employed by Wikipedia (or, more precisely, by Wikimiedia Foundation, who runs he project). We are all volunteers and we can hardly guess the page you're talking about until you give us its name. Please help us help you and say what you are looking for. --CiaPan (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Try looking for it at http://archive.org

Editing Wikidata entries

Hi there, I've done some work on the Sotheby's page & want to remove the financial data (revenue, operating income, net income, etc.) from their infobox seeing as they're a private company & that won't be updated anymore. When I go to remove that from the infobox, I'm left with a preview of the data & a link to the Wikidata page. I'm not sure what I need to do to remove said data from the infobox & do not want to blank those pages on Wikidata. Can anyone help? I was directed here from the Sotheby's talk page by another user. Gold Pieces (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Gold Pieces, there is a way (not documented in the infobox template) to suppress fields you don't want. The example from {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} is:

{{Infobox person/Wikidata

| suppressfields=occupation children

| dateformat = dmy

| noicon=on

...

}} StarryGrandma (talk) 17:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

StarryGrandma, thank you for the help. I've applied the code in a preview to the Sotheby's page & while it does work, I can't get it to apply to all the financial categories. For some reason, it won't hide the equity field but will apply to all other fields. I've verified that I'm spelling it correctly & typing in the right field. Here's my sample:

| suppressfields = revenue operating_income net_income assets equity num_employees

Am I doing this wrong? Thanks in advance. Gold Pieces (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

|equity= is not populated from wikidata so |suppressfields= does not apply. If you want to remove the financial data, remove those parameters and their values and then set |suppressfields=revenue operating_income net_income assets num_employees to prevent the template from fetching those data from wikidata.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Gold Pieces, suppressfields only works with fields that the template can get from Wikidata. The Wikidata entry for Sotheby's doesn't have equity, so just blanking the field is enough. This could be a problem if someone added an equity value to Wikidata later, so keep equity in the list of fields to be suppressed. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:30, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Do those product reviews establish notability?

• Got a bug bite? This treatment can provide instant relief (CNN Underscored)
• This $10 Doodad Instantly Makes Bug Bites (and Bee Stings) Less Irritating (New York's The Strategist)
• [2] (Poseidon Sciences R&D)

Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) § Product reviews says "a strong indication of a sponsored or other relationship is a review that is excessively positive or negative", and they do seem overly positive for me. On the other hand, the first two articles are published in seemingly reliable sources.

Am I being paranoid or do these, too, seem like sponsored reviews to you? Kleinpecan (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kleinpecan: The CNN source you included looks a little bit too commercial and says it doesn’t have the input of CNN’s news staff. The New York source looks better because it says it’s items selected by the editors, although they do also receive compensation. These two alone would not demonstrate notability, so I’d look for other sources if you can.TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:15, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I’m editing on my mobile so I didn’t initially see the third source. It’s a paper posted on Shopify, so that wouldn’t be reliable or demonstrate notability. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

The third source cited would probably fall foul of WP:MEDRS guidelines, too. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both. Kleinpecan (talk) 11:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

BCL VERSION OF MediaWiki:Guidedtour-tour-twa7.js and soon

Where should I request for editing a MediaWiki?? Shimin_Ufesoj 18:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I would think at MediaWiki Talk:Guidedtour-tour-twa7.js, ShiminUfesoj. By the way, your signature breaks at least two guidelines: please change it immediately: WP:CUSTOMSIG/P. --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

--oh Im sorry, I will change my signature later, --ColinFine as of now I translated the The Wikipedia Adventure to Bikol Sentral, but I'm not permitted to edit MediaWiki to work properly what I translated. -- Shimin_Ufesoj 04:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

How do i create a Wiipedia page on a musical group?

I want to create a Wikipedia page for a Rap group from the early 90's — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrpierson51 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Your starting point is to assess whether the group meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, & particularly WP:NMUSIC. After that, advice is available at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Arabic variants font

Hi, We have an issue here regarding the font selected by the OS/browser to display varieties of Arabic such as South Levantine Arabic (ajp) and North Levantine Arabic (apc). Apparently on Windows 10, using Firefox, Edge, or Chrome, the following words don't look the same and may not be readable depending on the language code used: ‏احنا‎ (ar) ‏احنا‎code: ajp is deprecated (ajp) ‏احنا‎ (apc) // ‏اللَّهْجَةُ الشَّامِيَّة‎‎ (ar) ‏اللَّهْجَةُ الشَّامِيَّة‎ (ajp) ‏اللَّهْجَةُ الشَّامِيَّة‎ (apc) On MacOS + Chrome/Firefox/Safari everything looks OK. Do you know if there's a way to solve this problem? A455bcd9 (talk) 20:54, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, A455bcd9. Generally, people who frequent the Help desk know about creating and editing Wikipedia articles, but not about the way the software works: WP:VPT would be a better place to ask. --ColinFine (talk) 21:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, I didn't know VPT. I posted it there. A455bcd9 (talk) 22:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Re: Biography/Autobiography.

Dear Wikipedia Administration, &/or Editorial staff, &/or ... ??

There's a VERY spartan article about me & my dual political/legal careers. (I am "Robert F. Frazier" [Aka: "Robert F. Frazier, Esq.].)

I attempted on my own to augment this Article with factual biographical/autobiographical material¹. However, after only several months following my posting of the augmentation a volunteer deleted everything I had provided with the wry comment that it "looked like a Curriculum Vitae" or "a job application"!! I'm 72+ years of age (Which this volunteer could have determined from the birth date I had provided) & I am not looking for a job² or any jobs!!

(¹Note ... The material I provided was very similar to what I had observed in numerous other "Wikipedia"[tn] biographies ... Viz. Family background, Parents, Birth Date, other vital statistics & information, Education, Early Career, Mature Career & "Highllights", extra-curricular avocations, etc.)

(²Note ... My last & current jobs are as [1] a self-employed Trial Lawyer, [2] a self-employed politico-military consultant, [3] an Historian & Historical writer, [4] the President of my Class (1971) at Lehigh University, & [5] a Public Speaker for 3rd-party events & an intermittant consultant to broadcasts purporting to be "news".)

QUESTION: Could I please be informed of (1) how my Article can be augmented while avoiding the type of inexperienced interference which I have already experienced, & of (2) how I might be assigned to a more professional (Or, perhaps, that would be a more empathetic & tolerant) volunteer who might be my collaborator (Not exactly a "ghostwriter" but not entirely dissimilar from such either) to bring my Article to a creditable level in terms of being an accurate biography &/or autobiography??

Respectfully Submitted ... ... Robert (F. Frazier, Esq.).

P.S. If my inquiry here is overlong compared to a median of your submissions, please excuse & forgive my inexperience in writing to you at "Wikipedia"[tn]; This is only my first effort ever at a direct communication to "Wikipedia"[tn] Administration etc., & I have not found a tutorial for what you might expect in these inquiries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RFFESQ41 (talk • contribs) — RFFESQ41 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Courtesy link: Robert F. Frazier --Orange Mike | Talk 23:40, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@RFFESQ41: I suggest reading WP:AUTO, which will explain why trying to write or edit an article about yourself is very strongly discouraged. If you have suggestions for improving the article, you can post that suggestion, along with citations to published, reliable sources, to the article's talk page, along with {{edit request}} and a volunteer editor will evaluate it for inclusion. RudolfRed (talk) 00:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

As state legislators are one of my specialties, I've taken a whack at the article about you, using what little material I can find online. (This job would be much easier if back issues of the excellent Pennsylvania Manual were available online the way the Wisconsin Blue Book is.) Note that I used nothing which comes from you, but rather impartial content from reliable sources. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)