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September 8

Clara “Keffals” Sorrenti

Ms Sorrenti is a worldwide troll target and her wikipedia entry is now full of references claiming she is a “Bolshevik” and a “communist” political candidate, with false sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.37.12.58 (talk) 01:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

FWIW I've just dropped DS alerts for Gender/Sexuality and BLP on the IP's page. The "false sources" claim seems to be bullshit, but even if it isn't it's a content dispute at best. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

While it is true that person is the target of intense harassment by trolls, it is also true that she twice ran for political office on the ticket of the Communist Party of Canada. Several reliable sources confirm that. Cullen328 (talk) 02:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Portalegre District

The article involved: Portalegre District

I wanted to change "S" to "Seats" in the section on the summary of election votes from 1976-2022. However, afterwards, it made the table unexpectedly much bigger then I expected. I believe that this will affect readability in the future. I'm now considering a table set-up like this:

This is a potential format for showing the results for elections, featuring multiple political parties and spanning multiple years.

I believe that using that kind of format will increase the readability, as well as will fit the flow of the article more easily.

However, I do not know how to do this. I am requesting for help on this. Thank You.

Shark_____Shark (talk) 03:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SpacedShark. I suggest that you discuss this issue at Template talk:Election table. Cullen328 (talk) 03:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank You. Shark_____Shark (talk) 03:55, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@SpacedShark: Options to avoid wide columns include adding "S: Seats" somewhere for explanation, using {{vertical header|Seats}} to make vertical text in a narrow cell, and saying {{abbr|S|Seats}} to make S with hover text. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

"Spinoff of" in a celebrity's Background information

Hello all! I was reading through Desiigner's article and noticed that there's a line in his Background information section that says he's a "Spinoff of Kanye West"; I'm wondering what exactly that means? I checked a few articles of other similar artists and couldn't find anyone else referred to as a spinoff. I understand that he has worked with Kanye quite a lot, but I don't understand what is meant by spinoff there. Was this information just added by someone that wanted to be rude or something? Should it be removed?

Thank you. ~ Tyong127 (talk) 04:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tyong127: I have removed it.[1] Template:Infobox musical artist#spinoff_of is for groups, not individuals. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Alright! Thank you ^^

~ Tyong127 (talk) 05:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Searching templates

I often run into the issue that Wikipedia does not search symbols in templates, such as '|', '=', and '{' properly. One example can be seen here, where I try to search for Color box templates formatted as "{{Legend3...}}", but in addition to what I am looking for, I get a lot of results that are "| legend3 = ". How do I fix this? TheGEICOgecko (talk) 08:07, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

hastemplate:Legend3 insource:/\{\{ *Legend3/

For what that means, see Help:Searching.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Sukavich Rangsitpol

How can l delete the deformation information in biography of living people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/1109070037&markasread=255899083&markasreadwiki=enwiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by แม่สอดตาก (talk • contribs) 08:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@แม่สอดตาก: Hi there! I see that you have been editing the Sukavich Rangsitpol article. I suggest you read the top of the RfC section of Talk:Sukavich Rangsitpol. If that doesn't answer your concerns, then I suggest you start a new section on Talk:Sukavich Rangsitpol stating exactly which text you want removed or changed, and provide a published source if possible. Hope this helps, and happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 21:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Please can you add China's Chongyang Festival (Double Ninth Festival) to the Grandparents Day around the world page?

Dear Editor,

In China, we celebrate Chongyang Festival (Double Ninth Festival) for thousands of years. It has always been dedicated to celebrating the elders, and grandparents in our history. In the 1980s, the festival was set official as Seniors Day by the Chinese government. as a school, we promote it to children for showing their love and appreciation to grandparents and the seniors in our community. it is the oldest Grandparents’ day in the world. It is on the ninth day of the ninth lunar calendar. This year it falls on the 4th of October. We hope society will celebrate the special time for the grandparents and elders just like how we celebrate Mother's Day and Father's Day. Hope you can add China's Grandparents Day - Chongyang Festival (Double Ninth Festival) Seniors Day to the "Grandparents Day around the World page on Wikipedia. Much appreciated.

More information about the festival can be found here: https://wenlinchineseschool.org.uk/chongyang2022.htm

The URL for the page that I refer to is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandparents%27_Day

I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards, Rosa Wang Founder and Headteacher WenLin Chinese School (Redacted) Wiki886699 (talk) 11:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

You posted the same request to the Teahouse. -- Hoary (talk) 12:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Reference Issues

Typically, I'll use Provelt to put in my references, but this time I've had an error code that I've been unable to fix. On User:Horsegeek/Ronteza, I've been trying to input a source I found on the Wikipedia Library (which I only recently gained access to after many months of absence from the Wiki) and I'm trying to cite a journal. Multiple errors pop up, including check|url=value and Unknown parameter |month=ignored, along with {{cite journal}} though I've already put in the link to the journal, but I'm assuming there's a different way to cite sources from the Wikipedia Library. Would anyone be able to assist me with this? Many thanks! Horsegeek^(talk) 11:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

This is about this citation? In cs1|2 templates, URLs in |url= require a scheme component, typically http or https, followed by ://, the host, the path etc. In cs1|2 templates, |month= was deprecated 14 December 2013 and withdrawn 26 September 2015. If that citation template was created by ProveIt then you should take up the issues with the maintainer of that tool.

As an aside, I wonder about the url that you chose to use. Do your library privileges permit you to make the source available to anyone who does not have library privileges? I don't have library privilege yet I can read that source when I probably should.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:28, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Trappist the monk I believe I've fixed the problem for now, though I'm not quite sure if those who are unable to access the library are able to see it. Thank you for your help! Horsegeek^(talk) 14:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't have library privileges and cannot read the source through the link that you have in this citation. But, I don't think that it is a good idea to link to a site that doesn't host the source. The current link gets redirected to The Wikipedia Library which is WP:ASTONISHing and does nothing for readers who aren't Wikipedia editors with sufficient standing to have Wikipedia Library privileges. I'm pretty sure that I have seen Wikipedia Library links converted to links to a paywalled source so perhaps you should search for a similar link that goes directly to Gale and mark it as |url-access=subscription. That not being possible, omit the url entirely. Also, if you are actually citing an article in Arabian Horse World, which is, according to https://arabianhorseworld.com/, a magazine, you should be using {{cite magazine}}.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:34, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Horsegeek You should never use a URL to link a site via the Wikipedia Library, as it will work only for a very limited set of readers who happen to have access. There is no need for every citation to be available online and it is sufficient to provide the full details within the {{cite magazine}} template. If the Arabian Horse World website provided a direct URL for that particular magazine edition (which it doesn't, I've checked), then that link could be added as a courtesy to readers trying to verify the information but it is not mandatory. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:10, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull, would I still be able to reference the magazine then, or would I not include a reference at all in this particular case? Thank you for clarifying; the Wikipedia Library is a very helpful source, though I'm still unsure how we'd link it as a ref if it were a website, for example. Horsegeek^(talk) 14:47, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Horsegeek Yes, it is absolutely OK to use a magazine as a citation, just not (in this case) any link at all unless it goes somewhere that works for all readers. The full guidelines are at WP:CITE. Someone wanting to verify your information would have to work out where they might source a copy of the magazine, whether online or offline, but provided you give all the details including the page number, you've done all that's required. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

IP address represents a team of editors

In Talk:Chase Tang an IP admits that their address represents a team when they say "if you can make sure no more incorrect / outdated information is put on my clients pages. It’s very frustrating for me and my team," This IP and several others which all geolocate to the same location in Canada have made most of the substantive edits to the article Chase Tang. What options are available to stop this type of team editing? Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   14:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

An IP can always potentially be used by more than one person, be it a group or different independent individuals(i.e. on any public internet access). They've also said they are a paid editor, so they've complied with that policy. I think the only concern would be overtly promotional editing. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Velella: If they're paid editors, they are strongly discouraged from making any edits to the page unless they're minor things like spelling and grammar issues, or if they're reverting obvious vandalism (as described in WP:COIE § What to do when something goes wrong, points 4 and 6, respectively). If they would like to make substantial edits to the page they are strongly encouraged to use the edit request system that we have in place. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

And unless that IP is demonstrably static and not going to change, a disclosure on the IP makes no sense; each employee should be getting their own account and disclosing on that. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth II

The article has been changed to state her birthplace to be Mayfair, it was specifically this:

On 21 April 1926, Queen Elizabeth II was born at No. 17, the London home of her maternal grandfather, the Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne. (from Google but I have been aware of this for many years.)

The point here is that the bombed in the war address of Bruton Street was seen that she was born in a normal street like one of us, this was a perception often cited across the years, the current Mayfair reference shows her start in life in the opposite manner. Please can you correct this. 2A02:C7C:9608:DC00:651C:4DAA:F612:E444 (talk) 19:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The article has been changed to state her birthplace to be Mayfair, it was specifically this:

On 21 April 1926, Queen Elizabeth II was born at No. 17 Bruton Street, the London home of her maternal grandfather, the Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne. (from Google but I have been aware of this for many years.)

The point here is that the bombed in the war address of Bruton Street was seen that she was born in a normal street like one of us, this was a perception often cited across the years, the current Mayfair reference shows her start in life in the opposite manner. Please can you correct this.

image of 17 Bruton Street https://www.rct.uk/sites/default/files/collection-online/e/d/130261-1292730021.jpg 2A02:C7C:9608:DC00:651C:4DAA:F612:E444 (talk) 19:37, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The facts about it's demolition are in reality these: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59553852 2A02:C7C:9608:DC00:651C:4DAA:F612:E444 (talk) 19:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

This childhood home of The Queen was bombed during the war 145 Piccadily, https://www.hellomagazine.com/homes/20210728118433/the-queen-childhood-home-inside-145-piccadilly/ 2A02:C7C:9608:DC00:651C:4DAA:F612:E444 (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

This is best raised at Talk:Elizabeth II. It's not in dispute that 17 Bruton Street is in Mayfair.[2]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't have access - I'm hoping someone who has reads this and posts this information there, Thank you 2A02:C7C:9608:DC00:651C:4DAA:F612:E444 (talk) 19:57, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes you're right, unusually the talk page there requires autoconfirmed access due to disruptive editing. I also think that you are trying to make the point that Mayfair is seen as a privileged and rather posh area of London, which it often is. The house at 17 Bruton Street no longer exists but there is a plaque marking the spot.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:00, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Narrowing table via source code

I’m having trouble narrowing the government table at the United States article so it fits within the standard column of the page. Any assistance would be appreciated, many thanks in advance 🙏🏿 96.76.218.85 (talk) 20:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I have shrunk the pictures by adding |250px after |thumb, and it brings the table within the text width on my screen. Is this what you are after? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 21:40, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Verbarson: For future reference, you shouldn't really be fixing thumbnail images to a set pixel size as explained in WP:THUMBSIZE. If the size of a thumbnail image needs to be adjusted, it's better to follow the guidance given in MOS:UPRIGHT instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Thank you. It felt like a fudge. Anyway, the whole table has now been reverted out of existence. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 22:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

RESTORING THE CHAMBERS BROTHERS PICTURE THAT WAS ACCIDENTALLY DELETED

Please help me restore the bands picture thank you Lee Szymborski 64.250.246.200 (talk) 22:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I've fixed it. One of the template brackets got turned around, that's all. Acroterion (talk) 23:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

history items in blue

Why in Flower's history some of the most recent items are in blue background? Meridiana solare (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Meridiana solare: It looks like the blue items are edits accepted under Wikipedia:Pending_changes RudolfRed (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

View the history of one of the pages listed at Special:PendingChanges. Revisions awaiting review are highlighted in yellow (accepted are blue as already explained). DB1729^talk 01:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

There is no explanation in the history page. "Page information" shows no protection. Meridiana solare (talk) 08:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

@Meridiana solare The page itself shows the WP:WHITELOCK at the top right. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)