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June 19

Link a category without making it part of the category

Is it possible to link a category like a article link without having it included in the category? Qwv (talk) 00:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

[[:Category:Foo|Like this]] -> Like this * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

...also known as the colon trick if you want to know what else it can do. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding references in multiple languages

I speak English (natively) and Japanese (fluently). I am reading about Fujiwara no Teika in a Japanese text.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/釘貫亨/dp/412102740X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ZWYV31WBYFHU&keywords=日本語の発音はどう変わってきたか&qid=1687141918&sprefix=日本語の発音%2Caps%2C100&sr=8-1

There is some factual information in the English Wikipedia article that is unsourced.

Fujiwara no Teika

Is it ok to add a reference to a Japanese source? Bolaurent (talk) 02:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Bolaurent: It's perfectly acceptable, and encouraged! Go ahead. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 03:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Bolaurent It's perfectly acceptable to add a reference to a reliable Japanese-language source; and if there's no reliable English-language source that could be used instead, it's encouraged. Best is to provide the title, etc both in Japanese script and hepburnified, and also in English translation. Template:Cite book (etc) will automate the formatting of such data. You're under no obligation to use the "Cite" templates; but if you choose not to use them, be careful not to give the impression that your English translation of a title is the title. -- Hoary (talk) 05:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit counter

Is there any code that checks your edit count and returns a number based on how many edits you made to the wiki? 📖 (💬/📜) 03:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @TheBigBookOfNaturalScience.

Yes. You can find your edit count by first, clicking the Contributions button located (next to the log out) on the top right of this page. There, scroll all the way down and you will find a small box. Go ahead and click the Edit count button. You can see your edit counts there.

Hope this helps! 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 04:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Layah50 I want to use it as an input for template, like this one so I don't have to manually edit the number every time I make an edit. 📖 (💬/📜) 05:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@TheBigBookOfNaturalScience: It's not possible. The data is not available in wikitext. A user script could save the number sometimes to make it easier than manually updating. I haven't found a script which only saves the number but Wikipedia:User scripts/List#Userspace 2 shows User:Jeeputer/editCounter which saves a whole table like User:Jeeputer/edit count when you click a link. If the script works (I haven't tried it) then you can extract the edit count with this:

{{#invoke:String|match|s={{User:{{ROOTPAGENAME}}/edit count}} |pattern=%[%[Special:Contributions/{{ROOTPAGENAME}}{{!}}(.*)%]%] |plain=false |nomatch=? }}

I have tested it by previewing the code at User:Jeeputer where it extracts the number from User:Jeeputer/edit count. If the script changes the format of the saved text then the extraction may fail and return the nomatch parameter "?". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

John Taylor (Unitarian hymn writer)

ref number 5 is not looking good - the reference is fine but there are problems. Please fix if able. Sorry 58.179.137.31 (talk) 07:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

If it was the spare </ref> before it, I removed it. If you stumble across this error again, you can safely remove the spare tag without breaking anything. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

John Taylor (Unitarian hymn writer)

I have added a file - old drawing - and I hope this is OK. It is not in the centred in the info box.Please help if able. thanks 58.179.137.31 (talk) 09:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

•  Done--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The image is of a page from The Lamp Of Learning a book first published in 1984, so it is likely to be a copyright violation. The picture of Taylor looks older, so it may be public domain. TSventon (talk) 09:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Assuming that

• the standard UK copyright rules apply (70y after author’s death)
• the image was produced in 1826 (the same year that Taylor died, going by the article) - painted portraits are usually produced during the subject’s life, after all

For the image to not be public domain, the painter would have needed to live (2023-70-1826) = 127 years after painting it. Assuming the painter was 10 when producing the portrait, they would have beat the current documented record of longevity by 15 years.

Yeah, it sounds safe to assume it lapsed into public domain. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

As a general point, you also need to consider typographical copyright, that is the right of the publisher of a particular edition. It lasts 25 years, so in this particular case is not a problem. BTW, there's something odd about the link, it results in "This page does not currently exist. You can search for this page title in other pages or create this page". Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The source is https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_Lamp_Of_Learning/ZUZZDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=John+taylor+norwich+martineau+cousins&pg=PA8&printsec=frontcover . It was first published 1984, second edition 1998, e library edition 2003. I believe the text on the page will be under copyright, and the typography may be. According to the book the original image "by R. M. Meadows, was published in the Methodist Magazine, 1808", so the details for commons:File:John_Taylor_(1750-1826).jpg are wrong and I don't know how to fix them. TSventon (talk) 09:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The engraving by Meadows was taken from a portrait by Nathan Branwhite, as the original source (Methodist Magazine 31 (1808), p. 528) makes clear. I've corrected the information at the Commons and changed the license to PD. But comparison with the original also shows that the image reproduced in The Lamp of Learning is distorted: it has been stretched horizontally, so that the subject appears to have a much wider face than in the original engraving. So I've replaced it in the article with another version cropped directly from the original. It's a little blotchier but at least the proportions are correct. Choliamb (talk) 12:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Template

Do these two pages need the "Expand Italian" template? Oriana Fallaci, Enrico Mentana. JackkBrown (talk) 11:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: I suggest you ask on each article's talk page, and ping the editor who added the template. GoingBatty (talk) 13:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I can't ping myself 😂. JackkBrown (talk) 14:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Punch Cards and how did they change business

This articl;e or one with a simerler title has disappeared within the last twpo weeks Why 2A00:23C6:6083:CD01:159:3F20:8D36:D6B9 (talk) 12:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

we have punch cards. lettherebedarklight晚安 12:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

.... and on its inventor, Herman Hollerith. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

my name

I wish to correct my name I don't have an account 178.208.208.236 (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Please be more specific. Which change do you want on which page? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. Do you mean the name of an article that is about you? We don't recommend editing articles about yourself due to the conflict of interest. Instead, make an Wikipedia:Edit requests or ask on the article's Talk page. Either way, make sure that the name change is backed up by a source.

Hope that helps. Qcne (talk) 13:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

What is the "Country study" template used for?

I noticed the Template:Country study on the Kamakura period page and thought it read weird and seemed out out place. After looking at the other pages that use it, there doesn't seem to be a consistent usage or placement for the template. Can someone help me understand what it's used for and where it goes? - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 16:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@AquilaFasciata: Hi there! I suggest asking on Template talk:Country study, and then adding the answers to Template:Country study/doc. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AquilaFasciata. You can learn more at Library of Congress Country Studies. Cullen328 (talk) 16:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@AquilaFasciata: It appears to be a citation template for a publication known as a "country study", so you use it when you cite the publication. You can also use a cite-type template to put a publication int a list of publications. -Arch dude (talk) 17:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Thanks for everyone's input, I think I just had a hard time with the syntax of the sentence. Thank you all! - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 13:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not....

Hey x

I need to find a section which states that Wikipedia is not a translation service . I'm on the edge of a dispute concerning album articles in which foreign language song titles are translated into English. I know that colleagues in the Eurovision project long ago agreed that providing translation is not a function of Wikipedia and I'd be grateful if this could be located to help me out. Thanks doktorb _words^deeds 20:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if there is such a policy. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works#Translations allows parentheticals with English translations of foreign language titles, and there's even a template for translations. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll ask a slightly different question then: is it policy to provide translations for the track listings of an album not in the English language? Thanks :) doktorb _words^deeds 04:57, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

doktorb, if in your last question you're asking whether there is such a "policy" (as narrowly defined by and for Wikipedia), no. If you're asking whether there's such a guideline, I very much doubt it. (If there is, it's ignored more often than it's observed.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:33, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Hoary. I'm mindful of users providing unofficial or even untrue translations to track listings for a number of reasons. If the album itself doesn't translate them, neither should we. I'll have a look around guidelines and see what I can find. doktorb _words^deeds 08:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

On another (unimportant) hand, doktorb, an unofficial translation can hardly be as bad/bizarre as "Sukiyaki" for Ue o muite arukou. -- Hoary (talk) 09:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Ernest Radjen Basketball Coach

Hi,I want to add profile of Basketball Coach Ernest Radjen to wikipedia.I tried to upload file /His CV but it could not -some error file is reported. Fkojadinovic (talk) 20:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

There is a reply at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Ernest Radjen Basketball coach. Please keep discussion in one place. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Notability and references

Hi, I just edited the article in my sandbox. I added external links about the person that I am writing about.

1. Is that considered as Notability?
2. I added the date of the update right next to the reference (The date when I added the link to the article) and the name of the website. Is that correct?
3. What else is missing in order to publish my article?

Thank you all! BnayaMeir (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

BnayaMeir You added external links, but it is not clear what these are meant to reference. Inline citations are required. Please see Referencing for Beginners.

I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft, but you shouldn't do so yet. The draft reads very much like an official biography from the doctor's employer; that's not what we are looking for. Wikipedia articles about people should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Instead of writing the draft and looking for sources, you should find the sources first and summarize what they say, see WP:BACKWARD.

If you have a connection with this doctor, that needs to be disclosed, please read conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)