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January 7

Moving a File:

I can't find anywhere to either move or propose a move for File:Omeg phi chi.png. It is the Coat of Arms for Omega Phi Chi and I think the file name should match that (Omega rather than Omeg).Naraht (talk) 00:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@naraht: the process for requesting a file rename is here. ltbdl (talk) 10:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

ltbdl That's fine. *Definitely* a different process than renaming an article or template.Naraht (talk) 14:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Possible Plagiarism

I think that the header and overview section of Portuguese man o' war is plagiarism. The plagiarized source is this, which links to this. There are a few examples of very similar sentences in both, like

wiki: "The Portuguese man o' war is a conspicuous member of the neuston, the community of organisms that live at the ocean surface."

source: "The Portuguese man of war, Physalia physalis, is one of the most conspicuous, but poorly understood members of the pleuston, a community of organisms that occupy a habitat at the sea-air interface."

I tried to make a post in the talk page, but it was immediately removed, and after trying to post again it was immediately removed without any discussion. Then, after talking with the person who removed my talk topic on my own user talk page, they mentioned that the source has a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. I also saw that on CopyPatrol, the user had added the parts of the article that were plagiarized, then changed the wording to be different. The current page still shows a 98% similarity on Earwig's Copyvio Detector.

Is this fine? Am I right that the article needs to be changed more, or is the current state of the article fine? Also a link to a specific rule about plagiarism in this case would be helpful, because I found it hard to get a direct word on the situation. WP:Copy-paste and WP:PLAG say slightly different things, but at least WP:Copy-paste states that "In case of uncertainty, please ask at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems or Wikipedia:Help desk for input from other editors."

Thanks, Yubbo (talk) 01:07, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello! As I've now elaborated on the page, I think you are in the right. Your heading should not have been removed. However, the text is attributed in line with site guidelines. Remsense留 01:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

add content to management consulting firms

Hello, I would like to add content to a semi-protected page: List of management consulting firms. The content is a link to CPO PLAYBOOK Consultancy Cpoplaybook (talk) 05:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cpoplaybook: That is unlikely to happen; an internal link is added only when a subject has an article on Wikipedia. Your account seems to be solely for the purpose of promoting this organisation, which is not allowed by policy. Please disclose any relationship you may have with this group. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Cpoplaybook: Our "list" articles are miss-named. That article is really a list of Wikipedia articles about management consulting firms. Until your firm has a Wikipedia article, it cannot be added to that list. The subject of a Wikipedia article must be notable by our definition, so it is unlikely that your firm can be the subject of a Wikipedia article. See WP:NCORP. -Arch dude (talk) 06:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:FINDLINK

Are there any alternatives to Wikipedia:FINDLINK right now? Im not sure why but these days, it doesn't seem to work properly for me. A lot of time it can locate a link but when I click it to apply changes, it says the term is not in article and I have to manually change it which wastes a lot of time. - Imcdc Contact 09:03, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Imcdc, I didn't completely understand what didn't work for you, but I just tried it and it worked fine. If you continue to have problems with it, I suggest you post a report to User:Edward's talk page. Mathglot (talk) 05:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Import image to Commons

I want to import this image to Wiki Commons but it says "Can't import file because at least one of its revisions is missing an image file." Could someone restore the missing file please --FMSky (talk) 09:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@FMSky: It appears to be completely missing. It wasn't deleted in the normal way so there is nothing to restore. I have marked it as hidden but I'm not sure of the effect on import. Try again. If it fails then I can delete it instead which sounds odd for a non-existing file but it has worked for me before. That time it was a version by the same user. This time it's a different user so I'm first trying a method which keeps their username. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Doesnt work unfortunately, same issue as before --FMSky (talk) 12:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@FMSky: I have deleted it now but added a note [1] for attribution. Try again. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Now it worked, thanks! --FMSky (talk) 13:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Happened to me before too. I really wonder what causes this, seems pretty random. At least it's not too hard to fix. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Your case is the one I was referring to: Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 December 22#What am I supposed to do here. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Biography of Nicolas Iljine

In: https://infogalactic.com/info/Nicolas_Iljine there is outdated and incomplete information about me. None of the source links function. How can I edit the text about myself and make the necessary additions?

Nicolas Iljine, Frankfurt am Main, Germany (redacted) Paris1964 (talk) 10:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Paris1964 You'll have to take up issues with that website on that website, but if you are interested in changing content on the Wikipedia article about you, please make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on Talk:Nicolas Iljine. I've removed your personal contact information, it is unwise to post it in this very public forum. Wikipedia matters are typically handled on Wikipedia, for openness and transparency. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

If I were Iljine, I'd be unhappy about the picture showing him standing close to Putin. I expect it can be removed if requested. Maproom (talk) 11:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Paris1964: Wikipedia is not affiliated with Infogalactic. They use the same software as us but an old version of it. They have copied many of our articles which is allowed by our license but we have no control over their pages. https://infogalactic.com/info/Nicolas_Iljine is a copy of a 2015 version [2] of the Wikipedia article Nicolas Iljine. Both the 2015 and current version display references here at Wikipedia. Many Infogalactic features are only available to registered users but as far as I can tell, if you got Infogalactic to import the current Wikipedia article then the references would display while four of Nicolas Iljine#External links would fail. https://infogalactic.com/info/Special:Log/import shows they still import Wikipedia articles. I don't know their processes but you may have to request an account at https://infogalactic.com/info/Special:RequestAccount before you can contact them. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Default Output of Inflation Template

The Inflation Template returns an error if the date is out of range.

Can this be avoided, such that it returns the input value as if inflation was 0 (or another reasonable value)?

I'll move this to Template talk:Inflation if it belongs there.

Garvey 96 (talk) 13:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Garvey 96: Hi there! When having an issue with a template, I suggest posting on the template's talk page first, preferably with an example. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Returning an error seems like the right approach. Returning a value makes it seem like the input, and therefore the output, is valid when it is not. Mathglot (talk) 04:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Picture for an article

I was thinking about adding an image of this text (which is 300 year old german) to the article Effects of pornography on young people in the section 1715 - 1940: Protection from God's wrath and protection of youth, with this text: "concerns about the effects of pornography on adolescents can be drawn back to the 17th century" but I'm not sure if this image is really a good picture for this section, should i add the picture?

I am aware of MOS:IRELEV, but I'm unsure, the picture can theoretically enhance the understanding like the first picture in Constitution of the United States, but most people in enWp cant understand German, which makes it decoration. Should I mark the important part (which is marked in the link) when I want to insert the picture so that the reader understands what I mean or not?

(The sentence in English reads something like: such representations have incited many innocent youths of both sexes sex to evil and seduced almost everyone and therefore God Almighty, when We as the ruling reigning sovereign and sovereign prince out of Christian zeal would not did not endeavor to put a stop to it, he could easily be justly angered, and impose severe punishments.") The Other Karma (talk) 14:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

The Other Karma, this is a matter of editorial judgment, but my opinion is that this snippet of 300 year old text in German adds nothing of value to the reader. On the other hand, an image of the first page of the US Constitution, with its well-known, oversized "We the People" flourish, brings benefit to our readers. Cullen328 (talk) 22:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, I will not add this picture. The Other Karma (talk) 19:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Contents of deleted redirect

Is there a way I can find out what a deleted redirect pointed towards? I once made a redirect of the name of a person involved in an event (the page I redirected it towards was not itself the event but it had a subsection discussing it), and I was shown that the redirect had previously existed before as a redirect to a now nonexistent page (hence why it was deleted), but it didn't say what the page was. I thought this was strange as the section about this event had existed on this page for 10+ years and hadn't been deleted or, as far as I'm aware, previously turned into another page. I tried to find a deletion discussion related at all to this topic and found none.

Sorry if I explained this poorly, thank you! PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: There is no general way except for administrators like me who can view deleted pages. Please be specific when you ask for help. What is the title? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter The redirect was Alexander Kuzminykh, which the new version of now redirects to the 1998 incident section of the article Russian submarine Vepr. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: It redirected to a deleted article Aleksandr Kuzminykh. Sometimes you can find hints by looking at other edits and log actions at the time by the deleting administrator. They deleted the article four hours earlier but made so many deletions between that it would have been hard to find.[3] Anyway, the subject was an unrelated footballer born in 1989. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Ahhhh, okay, thank you! I wanted to split the incident section off after a future expansion since it independently seems to pass GNG and NEVENT (and there are a lot of similar "submarine incident" type articles) but was wondering if there was a previous deletion discussion related to it. Guess not. Well that solves that problem (now only to add more information/sources on the submarine itself so it's not left a stub...) PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Wiki links to porn and viruses

Samsung mobile chrome https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoClue http://www.noclueofficial.com/ 2600:1007:B003:939C:3186:10E:CC7D:38CE (talk) 18:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you IP editor, @Glane23 has now replaced that link with an archived link. Unfortunately sometimes external URLs are hijacked by spammers when they expire - we have no control over this. Qcne (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Clothing manufacturer

what company has this isignia? It is C with a line equidistant from the top of the c and coming straight down to midpoint. Then from the bottom of that straight line is another identical C only it's in reverse or backwards. Tag says established 1962 Made in China 172.220.64.25 (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! Per the blue box at the top of this page, this Wikipedia Help Desk is to ask questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. You could try the Wikipedia:Reference desk instead. GoingBatty (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)