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  • No evidence this is a "very famous" historic photograph, as said on the fair use rationale. Abu badali (talk) 19:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It was of sufficient fame and historical value to have been included in a small collection of photographs that The Nation (one of Thailand's most read english-language newspapers) used to illustrate key events in the 60 years of Bhumibol's reign. Patiwat 23:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I see this as evidence that this is a good journalistic photo that is specially valuable to it's copyright holder (The Nation). But this doesn't give us the right to use it in a way that replace it's original market role (i.e. to illustrate a key event in the 60th). This image could be used in a context where the photo itself was the subject, like in a text mentioning the awards it won (if any) or the social impact it caused (if any). --Abu badali (talk) 00:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm not sure I agree. The source page didn't contain any photographs of the events of the 60th either. The original market role of the photograph wasn't to illustrate the events of the 60th - it was to illustrate key events of the reign. Which is exactly the role that it plays in the Bhumibol article. Patiwat 00:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • There seem to be a lot of misconceptions on Wikipedia about what constitutes fair use. It is not fair use to use an image "for illustrative purposes" unless you are illustrating the image itself. For example use of Image:Nguyen.jpg is considered fair in an article on the photo but not one on the Vietnam War generally. The way this image is used is a great example of what does not constitute fair use. If Worldbook wanted to use this photo in their Bhumibol Adulyadej article, they would have to pay the owner considerable licensing fees. --Selket Talk 00:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • doesn't seems to be a screenshot as claimed (character is facing the camera, for instance). It seems to be a web image. Without knowing when/where/why was this image released, we can't claim out use won't replace the original market value for this image. Abu badali (talk) 20:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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