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Image:Risperidone-icon.jpg

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Image:One drop rule.jpg

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Image:One drop rule.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Muntuwandi (notify | contribs).
No agenda, it is just a collage of an African woman, a caucasian woman and a multiracial woman. Nothing else is implied. I believe this is a bad faith nomination Muntuwandi 05:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's difficult to say what the collage depicts. And which woman is caucasian and which is multiracial? Both the lighter women look multiracial to me. -- fourdee ᛇᚹᛟ 05:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Deleting a picture because one dislikes one possible interpretation of it is not a legitimate motive, as the picture in and of itself isn't objectionable. Possible inclusion of this picture is currently being debated at Talk:White people, so it can't be deleted on the grounds of being orphaned either.--Ramdrake 23:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (i'm the nom) Angelina Jolie is not 100% white as this picture is purporting and her face has been altered by surgery --Phral 23:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: I don't see anywhere in the picture or in the caption that purports that Angelina Jolie is "100% White" (whatever this might mean) or that surgery might have altered anything of importance here.--Ramdrake 01:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment Ramdrake, the purpose of the picture is to show the one drop rule. Having 3 non-whites is not showing it at all, as both Angelina and Mariah aren't white, and what is that black lady? --Phral 01:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment: Yes and you can illustrate the one-drop rule by placing side by side somebody who'd be widely acknowledged as black (the lady on the left), somebody who'd be widely acknowledged as white (Angelina Jolie is widely acknowledged as white), and the picture of Mariah Carey in the middle, who would be determined as black according to the one-drop rule in the middle for comparison purposes. The info is all factual, and the reader is free to draw his or her own conclusions.--Ramdrake 01:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I'm afraid "original research" isn't a valid delete reason for an image. Axem Titanium 18:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kept, no consensus to delete. – Quadell (talk) (random) 01:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Light skin colors.jpg

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Image:Light skin colors.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Muntuwandi (notify | contribs).
Bad faith nomination. The image is compliant with all wikipedia standards. Muntuwandi 05:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it was, it is orphaned, as no editor will let it stay in an article. --देसीफ्राल 05:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I was going to abstain from this one but it's just a bad image. Doesn't depict a pale white person and doesn't show a good range of colors. Support deleting because Muntuwandi is not making images to be helpful, just to push an agenda. -- fourdee ᛇᚹᛟ 10:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Which one of the four images?--Ramdrake 12:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bottom left quadrant, Image:Thandie Newton.jpg. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC) (Note: removed from collage per G12 deletion ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Kept, no valid reason to delete (now that the copyvio was removed). – Quadell (talk) (random) 01:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:07imac iphoto.png

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Image:07imac iphoto.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Keyser Söze (notify | contribs).
  • This image does not meet the first criterion required for claiming Fair Use. As listed on the policy page (Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Policy), number one says: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." The product in the picture exists and can be bought, which means a free equivalent could be created in little time. I've left two messages on related pages (Image talk and Uploader talk) with no response. ALTON .ıl 07:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete Very easily replaced image. Upload page should make clear some examples like this (as with photos of living persons) that are never fair use. Something like "Invalid fair use - publicity or advertising photo of current product". -- fourdee ᛇᚹᛟ 07:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:P2230049.JPG

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Image:I-35WBridgeOverhead.jpg

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Image:HimmlerOberfhr.jpg

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Image:HimmlerOberfhr.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Husnock (notify | contribs).
  • Conflict on who holds copyright over this image. See discussion at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2007 July 29/Images. Listed here to get some more input. Garion96 (talk) 11:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The source is very clearly listed on the page as coming from the National Archives and Records Adminsitration in College Park. Someone could probably write them and verify this. (National Archives at College Park, 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001). Also, someone should REALLY block the user who made a blatant personal attack on the talk page of the image [1] and followed it up with quasi-legal statements about accusing another user of being a "high priced lawyer" [2]. The user was not blocked in any way. -71.11.149.144 15:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This one's awfully hard to follow. NARA seems to claim it is in the public domain, but another party sells the image (apparently, all links to this are dead), making some question whether it's actually PD. I can't see any reason to doubt that it's in the public domain. If any new evidence exists, feel free to renominate. – Quadell (talk) (random) 01:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:60099.jpg

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Image:AmazingRaceMap.gif

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Image:Emma Watson in 2005 Harry Potter Premiere.jpg

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Image:Emma Watson in 2005 Harry Potter Premiere.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cheveux (notify | contribs).
(note - uploader has just been blocked for 31 hours for vandalism. BencherliteTalk 12:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Image:Hannah Taylor Gordon .jpg

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Image:Cardinal Sean Harvard.jpg

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Keep the image is used and there is no reason to belive it is a copyright violation. -Icewedge 21:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kept, no evidence of a copyvio. – Quadell (talk) (random) 01:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Cardinal Medinaat2005papalelection.jpg

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Only non-free images require rationales. —Remember the dot (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:Escriva at Mass.jpg

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Image:Escriva at Mass.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Smith2006 (notify | contribs).
  • „I created this picture myself (…) It was taken by a Catholic friend of mine (…) who gave permission for public use“ I don’t believe this source (anonymous friend, whenever this thumbnail with web resolution was created by the uploader?) Surely copyvio, a lot of files by this uploader were deleted in the past. Polarlys 15:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not deleted. I don't see any evidence of a copyvio. Yes, this user has had some (not many) images deleted, but those were ones he tagged as "fair use". He seems to understand the difference, and doesn't claim PD on many images. So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, unless evidence of a violation is found. – Quadell (talk) (random) 01:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Sheila_Rogers_Nomination_for_Emmys.jpg

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I don't really care if you delete this or not. It doesn't matter.

Image:2006-09-26_23h20m54.png

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Speedy delete fair use rationale is not good enough, states that picture is low quality, it is not. -Icewedge 21:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:John_Cleese.jpg

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I removed it from the article on the actor. – Quadell (talk) (random) 01:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Desmond_llewelyn.jpg

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Deleted. The free replacement image is used in the article with the caption "Desmond Llewelyn as Q". I think it's fair to say the image depicts Desmond Llewelyn as Q, and thus it would adequately replace the non-free image. Also, I see no evidence that the free image is a copyvio. Thus this is a clear NFCC #1 violation. – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Camelotsetup.jpg

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I am also listing:

Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 23:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Oneill.jpg

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Image:Oneill.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kenosis (notify | contribs).
Here is a general description of how to search, and here is access to scanned copies of all Copyright renewal records from 1950-1977. A quick-seach method for copyright renewal records for books only 1923-1963 can be found here
  • Keep Enough with this nonsense. Learn about copyright law before you nom every damned picture on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim62sch (talk • contribs)
  • Comment: The Nobel Foundation is not anonymous or pseudonymous. They claim copyright on this image, and (since it was taken after 1923) it's very plausible that they still hold the copyright. All they would have had to do is renew it, and the searches above can not comprehensively show that copyright was not renewed. I think we should believe the Nobel Foundation, that they hold the copyright. That said, it seems to me that the use of this image could pass all our NFCC, if a rationale were written. – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will not turn a public domain work into NFC, especially given the vicious opposition that attends to that designation in WP at present. Quoting my statement above: "... a search of the copyright office records does not reflect any copyright renewal as would be required to extend copyright in the US beyond the year 1964, so it's in the public domain in the US." In the EU, a calculation of "p.m.a. plus 70 years" requires a natural person as the author, otherwise it's anonymous or pseudonymous, and the copyright expires after 70 years from first publication. ... Kenosis 18:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted, evidently not a free image. – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Look see, I happen to be in Washington, DC frequently, and there are virtually no photographs renewed, period. Quadell knows as well as I do that this photograph was never renewed, yet Quadell just overrided the consunsus here to impose a unilateral decision against the evidence. And, even lacking 100% concrete proof that there is no renewal, e.g., a statement from the Nobel Foundation that they never renewed copyrights in the US, it's still demonstrably public domain in the EU. Did Quadell forget that? We just discussed it two paragraphs above. ... Kenosis 16:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you think my actions were inappropriate, you're free to bring this up at WP:DRV, WP:ANI, or wherever you think the appropriate forum is. I stand by my closing decision. (By the way, our servers are located in the U.S., so if the U.S. considers an image to be copyrighted then we can't consider it free, even if it's PD elsewhere.) – Quadell (talk) (random) 02:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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