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Kept.  Lack of Rationale appears to have been fixed. WilyD 13:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P. S. Since I've been asked to explain this closure, I will. "We're not engaging in a productive cycle" is not a deletion rationale. Lacks a fair use rationale is a deletion rationale, but its no longer the case. This image is a small piece of the Dr. Who episode "Last of the Time Lords", for a 45 minute epside there are probably 24 frames per second, we have 65000 frames (or are they 22 minutes? I do not watch this show.) A single frame easily meets NFCC#3, which is explicitly mentioned (although FutPerf doesn't explicitly claim this fails NFCC#3, she might be implying it.) The only other claim is that there's no critical commentary on the Dr. Who episode "Last of the Time Lords", which is patently false. In short, none of the claims underlying the deletion rationales happen to be true. WilyD 14:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Yet another poorly motivated episode screenshot. Decorative, no reference to it in the text, not used for critical commentary, bla bla, as always. FUR only says "infobox", which in fact makes it speediable for effectively lacking any FUR at all, but I thought I'd better deal with it here. These serial uploads on certain TV series articles must stop. One image gets deleted for failing NFCC#3+#8, and the next day somebody just uploads yet another that is just as useless as the first. This borders on disruptive editing. People, we have a policy here, and dozens and dozens of previous IfDs have confirmed it. You cannot use infobox images just as a matter of routine if they are not motivated by their role of supporting analytical commentary that actually exists in the text. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The image is mentioned in the text, as it shows the warships built by the earth's enslaved population, as mentioned in the "Synopis" section which is roughly opposite the infobox (and therefore an ideal place in which to put it). I would argue the the image adds critical commentary as it shows the sheer scale of the Master's plan and the threat the Earth is facing-- one of the major themes of the episode. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I think your "borders on disruptive editing" comment is uncalled for. I assume the user acted in good faith when they uploaded the image. I've attempted to improve the FUR. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Who said being mentioned in the text was a sufficient criterion? It may be a necessary criterion or somewhat close to one, but it's certainly not sufficient. Plus, the image isn't in fact mentioned. The situation it shows is mentioned, the image isn't. What dozens of previous similar debates have shown, time and again, is that simply showing an element of the plot, be that element ever so important within the plot, is not enough. It has to illustrate something crucial about that plot element, something that is an object of explicit analysis through text, but where the text alone is not sufficient to carry out the analysis but is in support of visual help to drive its point home. The image does not "add critical commentary" - how would that be possible, what does that even mean? An image cannot "add commentary". Images don't talk. Commentary is something which, by definition, only text can do. Images can support critical commentary; this one doesn't. Anything the image shows can easily be rendered through text, including the fact of the "sheer size" (If this piece of information is important, a simple adjective like "huge" will do the trick. Come on, language is not that powerless.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete but only because the image is now orphaned. If it is put into use again, a reasonable FUR is a must. — BQZip01 — talk 19:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the image to Last of the Time Lords, as there doesn't seem to be any rationale for removing it besides NFC issues. Orphaning it as a means of enforcing NFCC and then deleting it as orphaned wouldn't make much sense; let's evaluate the other NFCC concerns apart from WP:NFCC#7, since the application of #7 is contingent on those other concerns being valid. (Not assuming bad faith of anyone; looks like this was just a misunderstanding.) — xDanielx T/C\R 09:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
'delete replaceable, with freely licenced GFDL text Fasach Nua (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fair use uploads should be done on a considerate and thoughtful basis, not on the delete->upload->delete cycle. Though at the same time, I implore the nominator not to create a chilling effect regarding his nominations. Sceptre (talk) 15:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Deleted.  Orphaned fair use. WilyD 13:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Deleted.  Orphaned, no apparent value. WilyD 13:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Deleted.  Nonfree, unused. WilyD 13:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Deleted.  Orphaned, of no clear value. WilyD 13:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Deleted.  Unused, no clear value, possibly troubling copyright. WilyD 17:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Deleted.  Orphaned, problematic licence. WilyD 17:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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