Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Pennsylvania

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Correspondence

Some error corrections / investigation issues identified further below have been submitted to the NRHP for correction. The ones covered so far mostly involve apparent typos during NRHP's NRIS data system entry, and are denoted by notes like "submitted in batch01:13-14, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009", below. There has not yet been a comprehensive submission of identified errors for correction and/or investigation to Pennsylvania staff, separately, yet. Some individual items have been addressed, however, as follows. --doncram (talk) 20:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

About one bridge

(posted by Ruhrfisch at wt:NRHP, copied to here)

Bridge between East Manchester and Newberry Townships in York County, Pennsylvania was part of the Multiple Property Submission "Pennsylvania Department of Transportation Owned Highway Bridges" listed on the NRHP back in 1988. A clerical error was made at the time though, and it has been listed as pending in the NRHP database since. I noticed it was listed in the Pennsylvania ARCH system online and at the suggestion of Nyttend wrote the NRHP asking about it. Just got an email today saying that the pending listing was an error and they would be updating the database. I added the image on Commons and added it to List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania, but did not add it to the York County list. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

PS They said their internal database shows it is as listed, but the public database will not show this until its next update. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect information for "Administration Building"

(copied from Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Pennsylvania) The NPS has recorded an incorrect location for "Administration Building, Washington and Jefferson College", which is now known as McMillan Hall. The NPS Digital Library lists the location of the building as "PENNSYLVANIA -- Washington County -- Canonsburg." Also, NPS database list the building's coordinates as 40°15′39″N 80°11′11″W, which is in Canonsburg, Pennsylvania. (Curiously, this IS the location of McMillan's log college). However, the building is actually in Washington, Pennsylvania at roughly 40°10′13.2″N 80°14′27.9″W. The sources in McMillan Hall article show that the NPS information is incorrect. --GrapedApe (talk) 02:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

• I just heard back from a Preservation Specialist at the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission, and they will investigate these errors and try to correct them. Three cheers for crowd sourcing!--GrapedApe (talk) 05:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

(end copied section) Thanks, GrapedApe! --doncram (talk) 20:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Property names

• In Armstrong County, PA, there are 5 similarly named NRHPs:
  • Allegheny River Locka and Dam No. 5
  • Allegheny River Lock and Dam No. 6
  • Allegheny River Lock and Dam No. 7
  • Allegheny River Lock and Dam No.8
  • Allegheny River Lock and Dam No. 9

with misspelling/minor edit fixes needed in two. For No. 5, fix typo to spell as "Lock" rather than "Locka". For No. 8, spell as "No. 8" rather than "No.8". This probably is reflected in NRHP.COM's listings. doncram (talk) 16:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

submitted in batch01:13-14, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

• Racoon Creek RDA in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, should be spelt "Raccoon". Nyttend (talk) 23:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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• Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad Water Gap Staion in Delaware Water Gap, Pennsylvania; listing now corrected. Nyttend (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

batch03:59 Staion should be Station.

• There's a Millanville-Skinners Falls Bridge listed in Millanville, Pennsylvania (Wayne County, while another site is listed in Milanville, Pennsylvania. The GNIS demonstrates that there is a Milanville in Wayne County, but there is no Millanville. Nyttend (talk) 03:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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• 1616 Building (in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) should read 1616 Walnut Street Building, the address of the building. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 02:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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• • Created article under correct name and added redirect at alternate (shorter) name.--BillFlis (talk) 11:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

• Three covered bridges in Lehigh County are listed in North or South Whiteland Townships, but this Census Bureau map proves that no Lehigh County township has "Whiteland" in its name, and the coords provided show that they're actually in North or South Whitehall Townships. The bridges are Geiger (North), Manasses Guth (South), and Rex (North). Nyttend (talk) 13:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
• The Coatesville Historic District in Coatesville is listed as being "Roughly bounded by Chesnut Street, Sixth Avenue, Oak Street, Fifth Avenue, Harmony Street, and First Avenue"; correct spelling from "Chesnut" to "Chestnut". Nyttend (talk) 18:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• The Mortonville Bridge near Coatesville is listed as being along "Straburg Road"; it's actually "Strasburg Road". Nyttend (talk) 18:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• The Kennett Square Historic District in Kennett Square is listed as being "Roughly bounded by Sickles, Willow, Mullberry, Broad, South, Union, Cedar, Lafayette, State, and Washington"; need to change spelling to "Mulberry". Nyttend (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• Youghiogheny Bank of Pennslyvania in Perryopolis: correct "Pennslyvania" to "Pennsylvania". Nyttend (talk) 21:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
• Waterford Bourough Historic District in Waterford: correct "Bourough" to "Borough". Spelled correctly in its nomination form. Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
• Lock Ridge Furnance Complex in Alburtis: correct spelling from "Furnance" to "Furnace". Nyttend (talk) 01:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Dr. Joseph Mauer House in Washington — correct "Mauer" to "Maurer" per its nomination form, which refers to the owner dozens of times, always with the spelling of "Maurer". Nyttend (talk) 15:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
• Pleasureville Historic Historic in York County: correct to "Historic District" per its nomination form. Nyttend (talk) 16:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
• DDI Electric Locomotive No. 36 is actually #3936, see a photo of the DD1 at the cited location. I'm not familiar with PRR numbering, but I note that the photo in the article, clearly taken long before the NRHP nomination, is of #3998, so its seems unlikely that this example was once #36.. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 19:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Sorted it out; not an error. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 22:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sommerheim Park Archeological District in Erie County: change "Archeo..." to "Archaeo..." per its nomination form (http://www.arch.state.pa.us/pdfs/H086599_01B.pdf). Nyttend (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
• Passenger Locomotive No. 1737 was the first of 425 of famous K4 class of 4-6-2 Pacific type locomotives on the PRR. Unfortunately, it is well known that PRR 1737 was scrapped and that shortly thereafter in the 50's the PRR slapped 1737's number plate on #3750, a nearly identical member of the class. It is 3750, with its original number plate, not 1737, that is at the location cited by NRIS for 1737. However, here's the rub -- the actual locomotive nominated for the NRHP in 1979 was #3750 -- #1737 had been gone for twenty years. So, should the article be about 1737 or 3750? Which photo should go in National Register of Historic Places listings in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (we have both)? . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 17:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
• BTW, the PRR did the same thing with 7002, also on the NRHP. In the case of 7002, however, everyone involved is maintaining the fiction that the locomotive on display is 7002, even though it was scrapped in 1934 -- see PRR E2#Engine #7002 It is, therefore, not a problem for us -- we just maintain the fiction. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 17:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
• "Qhandlery Corner" (#87000030) in Erie, Pennsylvania should be spelled Chandlery Corner. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 15:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Town location issue

• Fox Chase Farm, in Pennsylvania, which is listed in National Register as "Stanley", a former name, is listed at 8500 Pine Road, Rocklege. User:BillFlis notes that it is not in Rocklege or Rockledge. Is Rockledge, Pennsylvania a town? Anyhow this is in Philadelphia, interestingly a working farm in the city (and the only one).

• Yes, Rockledge is in Montgomery County, just outside Philadelphia; evidently, the farm is on the border.--BillFlis (talk) 20:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if there is an error or not. doncram (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• John Frew House is identified by NRIS/Elkman in Pittsburgh, PA, but it is actually in nearby Crafton, Pennsylvania, per Nyttend. doncram (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

batch04:21: Believe should be relisted in Crafton, PA

• Pittsburgh also is the "official" location of the Gardner-Bailey House (in Edgewood) and the Fulton Log House (in Upper St. Clair Township). Like the Frew House, the Gardner-Bailey House is located very close to the Pittsburgh city limits; I can't tell about the Log House, although Upper St. Clair Township does border Pittsburgh somewhat. Nyttend (talk) 20:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

batch04:22-23: Believe these should be relisted in Edgewood and Upper St. Clair Township, respectively.

• The Isabella Furnace is listed at "Bollinger Drive just north of Creek Road, Nantmeal Township" — there is no Nantmeal Township in the county, but there are East and West Nantmeal Townships. Provided coords demonstrate that it's in West Nantmeal Township. Nyttend (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• The Linton Stevens Covered Bridge is given as being "Southwest of New London on Township 344, Nottingham/New London Townships"; while there is no Nottingham Township, East Nottingham Township borders New London Township to the west. Nyttend (talk) 18:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• The Raccoon Creek RDA in Beaver County (listed as "Racoon Creek RDA"; see property name errors) is listed in Rochester, which is on the opposite end of the county. Should be listed in Hanover Township (its municipality) or in the vicinity of Frankfort Springs, the nearest boroguh. Nyttend (talk) 16:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
• Bridge in Lykens Township No. 1 is listed in Edman, but its nomination form says Erdman. Nyttend (talk) 04:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
• William and Caroline Schall House in Montgomery County is listed in Green Line, but the community's actual name is Green Lane. Nyttend (talk) 03:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Address issues

• Tulpehocken Creek Historic District in Berks County is listed as being along "Tulpehocken and Mill Creeks...to the Blue March Dam..."; GNIS gives the dam as "Blue Marsh Dam". Nyttend (talk) 13:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
• Walter George Smith School is listed as being on South 14th Street but is located on South 19th Street. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 17:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
• Presque Isle Light in Erie is listed as being at "Presque Isle Pennisula on Lake Erie"; correct "Pennisula" to "Peninsula". Nyttend (talk) 20:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• The Henry Clay Frick Training School for Teachers in Pittsburgh is listed as being along Thackeray St., but local street signs (see Google Street View) show it as Thackeray Ave. Nyttend (talk) 13:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
• Cold Spring Farm Springhouse in Monroe County is listed as being "NE of Monroe", but Monroe, Pennsylvania is a long distance to the northwest, halfway across the state. It's in the northeastern portion of Monroe County, and northeast of East Stroudsburg. Nyttend (talk) 16:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
• Twin Bridges-East Paden Covered Bridge No. 120 in Columbia County is listed as being off Pennsylvania Route 478, but the road is actually Pennsylvania Route 487. The nearby Twin Bridges-West Paden Covered Bridge No. 121 correctly renders it as 487. Nyttend (talk) 13:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
• Ralston Freeman Covered Bridge in Washington County is listed as being "North of Paris crossing Aunt Clara'a Fork of King's Creek, Hanover Township"; correct "Aunt Clara'a" to "Aunt Clara" or "Aunt Clara's". Nyttend (talk) 14:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
• Pine Bank Covered Bridge in Washington County is listed as being "Southwest of Studa crossing Rouine, Cross Creek Township" — it's actually in Jefferson Township, and "Rouine" likely needs to be corrected to "ravine". Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
• Dager-Wonsettler Farmstead in Washington County is listed at "1044 National Park"; its nomination form says "1044 National Pike". Nyttend (talk) 13:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
• Cement City Historic District in Donora is listed as being "Roughly, Chestnut and Walnut Sts. from Mooisette Ave. to Bertha Ave. and along Ida and Bertha Sts."; correct spelling of "Mooisette" to "Modisette". Nyttend (talk) 14:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
• Twentieth Century Club of Lansdowne is listed at address and coordinates "84 South Lansdown Avenue 39°56′8″N 75°17′4″W" 84 South Lansdowne is correct, which has coordinates

39.935622°N 75.273321°W / 39.935622; -75.273321. In Google maps search for "Twentieth Century Club, Lansdowne, PA", which is, as described in the nomination, across the street from the library. The 2 sets of coordinate are about 5 miles apart. Smallbones (talk) 14:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

• Beulah Presbyterian Church in Churchill is listed at "Beulah and McCready Rds."; correct spelling to "McCrady". Nyttend (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
• McKeesport National Bank in McKeesport is listed at "5th and Sinclair Sts.", but it's actually 5th Avenue, not 5th Street. Nyttend (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
• Muddy Creek Forks Historic District in York County is listed at "Jct. of Muddy Creek Forks and New Park Rds., E. Hopewell, Fawn and Long Chanceford Townships" — there's no Long Chanceford Township, but maps show that the district is partially located in Lower Chanceford Township. Nyttend (talk) 17:31, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
• Carmichaels Covered Bridge is listed "East of Carmichaels" when in actuality it is in the borough on Old Town Road. Discovery of error is included with the nomination form provided by the PHMC. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 18:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Street address

• The Philadelphia Savings Fund Society Building is listed as being located at 12 Nineteenth Street. The building is located on the corner of 12th and Market Streets, instead of 19th and Market. In Philadelphia, PA. --​​​​D.B.^{talk•contribs} 00:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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• Thaddeus Stevens School of Observation, refnum 86003335, is listed with an address of 1301 Spring Street, Pennsylvania, when it is located at 1301 Spring Garden Street. --​​​​D.B.^{talk•contribs} 03:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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• Capt. William Vicary House in Freedom (Beaver County) is listed at 1251 4th St., but 4th St. in Freedom is (as you can see on a map) far too short for this. The coords and Google Street View demonstrate (as I know from being there a few days ago) that it's 4th Ave. However, the owner's website says 1235 3rd Ave. Nyttend (talk) 05:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
• Cressbrook Farm and David Havard House are both listed "South of Valley Forge, off U.S. Route 76"; U.S. Route 76 is in the southern United States, but Interstate 76 is very close. Nyttend (talk) 19:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• Northwest York Historic District in York County is listed as being "Roughly bounded by Carlisle, Texas, Pennsylvaia, Newberry, Park, and Linden Ave." — correct "Pennsylvaia" to "Pennsylvania". Nyttend (talk) 14:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Demolished but still listed

• Bridge in Athens Township in Bradford County: on Google image, one can plainly see the remnants of a destroyed bridge where this Pennsylvania state document shows this bridge as being. Nyttend (talk) 13:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
• Bridge between Monroe and Penn Townships in Snyder County, destroyed in 1994 per historical marker shown in this photo, and replaced by new bridge shown in this photo. Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
• Second Street Bridge in Chester (City) across Chester Creek has been demolished NRHP photo vs. File:MouthChesterCreek.JPG photo I took from a modern (1990s?) bridge on the same spot or Google View (note the railway bridge in background of all 3 pictures). Smallbones (talk) 04:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
• West Hickory Bridge in Forest County has been demolished and replaced by a new structure: map on its nomination form places the bridge at the same location as the current bridge, which is visible via Google Maps satellite view or Street View; also see distant pictures at http://www.harmonytownship.net. Nyttend (talk) 01:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
• Marion Bridge (correctly named Point Marion Bridge) in Greene and Fayette Counties was demolished November 16, 2009. Brian Powell (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
• Hawthorne School was demolished months after being listed in 1986. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 14:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• Sackville House was listed in 1976 and demolished sometime before the 1980s(?) to make room for the Olin Fine Arts Center.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Interestingly enough, this was de-listed on September 3, 2010. --GrapedApe (talk) 04:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
• Ligonier Armory, recently demolised [1]. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 23:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

architect, builder, engineer issues

• Joseph Anschutz vs. Joseph Anshutz. As detailed here in this version of architect page, there are about a half dozen NRIS listings using Anschutz spelling and same number using Anshutz spelling, all for Philadelphia schools designed by one person. There is a Louis Anshutz who also designed 2 other Philly schools, apparently. Which is the correct spelling? --doncram (talk) 19:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

• Autenrieth miss-spellings. Charles M. Autenrieth (1828–1906) was architect who worked in partnership Collins & Autenrieth. Two NRHP listings show incorrect spellings for his last name.
  • Lits Department Store, Market between 7th and 8th Sts. Philadelphia, PA. NRIS gives "Collins & Autenreith"; change Autenreith to Autenrieth.
  • Wagner Free Institute of Science, 17th St. and Montgomery Ave. Philadelphia, PA. NRIS gives "Collins & Autenreich"; change Autenreich to Autenrieth.

--doncram 13:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Coordinates issues

NOTE: For the most part, it is not helpful to report coordinates issues here. If you have a correction for coordinates to an NRHP site, please just go ahead and make those corrections in its article and in the corresponding county/town NRHP list-article. --doncram (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

• Elkman lists the Downtown Altoona Historic District (Altoona, Pennsylvania) at 40°31′8″N 72°24′4″W, which is somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean south of far eastern Long Island and east of Perth Amboy, New Jersey. In the relevant county table, I've changed the number from 72º to 78º, which fits quite well. Nyttend (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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• Pittsburgh and Lake Erie Passenger Station, Aliquippa in Aliquippa (Beaver County, Pennsylvania) has coords of 40|37|8|N|74|14|35|W, placing it in Linden, New Jersey, just across from Staten Island. Nyttend (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

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• The Scottish Rite Cathedral in New Castle (Lawrence County) was listed at 40°0′19″N 80°20′41″W; 41°0′19″N 80°20′41″W is perfect. Nyttend (talk) 05:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
• The coordinates for Administration Building, Washington and Jefferson College (now known as McMillan Hall) are incorrect. The NPS Digital Library lists the location of the building as "PENNSYLVANIA -- Washington County -- Canonsburg." Also, NPS database list the building's coordinates as 40°15′39″N 80°11′11″W, which is in Canonsburg, Pennsylvania. (Curiously, this IS the location of McMillan's log college, a different, but unlisted historic building). The building in question is actually in Washington, Pennsylvania at roughly 40°10′13.2″N 80°14′27.9″W. The sources in McMillan Hall article show that the NPS information is incorrect. I have contacted a Preservation Specialist at the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission, and they will investigate these errors and try to correct them. Cross posted from Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Pennsylvania.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)