Wikipedia:Page Curation/Suggested improvements/Archive 1
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1. Page curation tool: 'No problems'
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This request has not been resolved as of 15 June 2017. In the "Page info" section of the toolbar, there is a subheading "Possible issues" which contains the text No problems have been found for this page so far. if there are no maintenance templates currently on the page. This is misleading and has no apparent function. Either list the problems that have already been automatically identified and listed on the New Page Feed, or just remove from the Page Curation flyout entirely. Originally brought up by Kudpung Augist 2012. Some talk, not done.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:59, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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3. Feed symbols
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Pages tagged for deletion by PROD, BLPPROD, CSD, or AfC, and pages taged for COPYVIO and NOTENGLISH, sgould be shown with the dustbin (AE: trash can) icon, and not the green 'checked' icon. It should be obvious that this would enable admins who are patrolling the quality of the patrollers themselves rather than new pages, can either immediately delete hose pages, or - just as importantly - revert any tags that have been inappropriately or erroneously applied, and then use the 'unreview button' which should then send the 'unreviewed' message automatically to the patroller, using a dropdown list of canned reasons. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
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5. Very short article
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Any new pages that contain only one body section with less that 100 words or 700 characters (both parameters debatable here) or only contains an infobox and/or an image, should be displayed with a red alert alongside those for 'no citations' etc., as stub. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:03, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
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7. Recreations
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New pages feed should display if the new page is a recreation of a previously deleted page. First suggested by Carcharoth in 2012, the reasons for this alert should be obvious but previous suggestions for this were not considered by the Foundation to be important. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
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8. No Index until patrolled
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No indexing for search engines until an article has been successfully patrolled as appropriate for the encyclopedia. This is not the same as not allowing articles to be published such as at AfC. First suggested by WereSpielChequers and discussd in relative depth in 2912 here, it gained serious support, but possibly due the the community believing this to be a fait accompli, it received no further attention. This is possibly a policy issue and may need consensus from the broader community, although as a cross-Wiki critical issue it could be implemented by the Foundation if at least they could be persuaded of the necessity - especially today.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:19, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
There was in fact a RfC on this which gained consensus at [[1]]. As with many WMF promises to do it, they never did. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:45, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Roan Kattouw (WMF), thanks for the clarification. Tihs is an extremely important feature because for one thing, it will also act as a strong deterrent to Orangemoody style of attacks on the encyclopedia. There is nothing that can be done about pre-Thursday creations because they are already indexed by search engines and those SE listings can't be reverted, so it's too late for them unless of course a script can be devised to search the site for pages that still have the 'patroll thus page' or 'unpatrolled' on them and thre NOINDEX can be added - not that it would help much, though. What we have to ensure however , for the future, is that NO INDEX really works because a Google bot indexes our new pages within a few milliseconds.
The pages to be NOINDEX are:
Most important: new pages that may be shown as patrolled but whee the patroller has added tags for:
I think if we can get all this done, we'll see a significant reduction in the number of unwanted articles and it will give the patrollers more breathing space, and us more time to investigate ways of recruiting new, more qualified patrollers.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:37, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
NOINDEX is disabled in mainspace due to the risk of abuse, as pointed out by User:TheDJ at VPT. A list of templates that noindex would be relatively easy to abuse, it would be easy for a vandal to transclude one of them in a template with a high transclusion count or itself transcluded in high-value target pages, in a way that neither displays the template nor categorizes. It is likely to result in the pages being noindexed for quite some time in the wrong circumstances (even after revert of the vandalism on the causative page). So e.g. Barack Obama and other high profile articles could quite easily be noindexed for some time. We should develop safeguards before going ahead with such a system. IMO, the noindex until patrolled system is enough. Pages older than 3 months appropriately tagged for speedy deletion as attack pages, vandalism or copyright violations are quite rare, and having already being indexed for more than 3 months, the extra minutes it will remain indexed until deletion isn't what we should worry about. Cenarium (talk) 12:10, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Done It looks like this is working now. At the time of this writing List of Petz Club episodes was unpatrolled and noindexed, and 1936 Victorian Sporting Car Club Trophy had just been patrolled and was not noindexed. --Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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9. Pages moved to mainspace from other namespaces
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Drafts (a new namespace created later than the Curation tool), and articles moved to mainspace from other namespaces and user space drafted articles. First discussed in 2012, the Foundation promised to look into it and did not follow through. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:33, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
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12. User filters: Articles tagged for deletion
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Offer an additional filter to show a list of articles that are tagged for deletion by PROD, BLPPROD, CSD, and AfD. Particularly useful for cross-checking, checking the performance of patrollers, and for admins who can delete such pages if required. This is in addition to the function that already exists where the feed displays (or should display - this is not always working) a trash can icon. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC) |
13. Naked URLs
No consensus. Also see the concepts of information overload and banner blindness. ∯WBGconverse 12:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC) |
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Display in the Feed entry, in red alongside the 'no citations' alert, a 'Naked URL' alert. This should enable a patroler to send a canned message to to the creator on the lines of: Thank you for creating X. I notice you left naked URLs in the references section. Please consider returning to the article and addressing this and any other tagged issues. For more information about correctly formatting sources and external links, please see WP:CITE. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:32, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
This could be done automatically anddoes not involve a lot of HR. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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14. Wikiprojects
Implemented as a user script (User:Kephir/gadgets/rater)
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Discussed in 2012, several editors felt that articles get a lot of help if their parent projects know about them. While it might be almost impossible to automate the placing of project templates on article talk pages, it might be an idea to provide patrollers with a drop down of some of the more common projects such as mil hist. BLP, Bio, Math, classical music, rock music, settlements, countries, etc., and let a script do the rest Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:31, 8 September 2016 (UTC) This has in fact been mentioned several times and again recently. However, having done this manually, I beging to get the feeling that a lot of projects are not actually very active and don't take much notice of new articles tags with their project banners. Prhaps the tagging could be done in a similar way that HotCat helps choose categories. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:46, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
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15. Jumpback
First raised by DGG in 2012: ability to jump back a specific number or edits or days, as with NPP. I remember when NPP did not have that feature, and it was great getting it. I have been unable to tell if the complete file loads when you open it, it scrolls too slowly. NPP, for comparison, loads a fixed number at a time, which you can adjust to fit your own screen size and connection quality, confirmed by Jorm as doable, promised by O Keyes, never implemented.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:56, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- Support - This would be a very valuable feature. It would help eliminate new pages slipping through the cracks during periods where patrolling is low.- MrX 13:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- MrX, We don't need to 'support' this, just insist on the WMF or Phabricator that it gets done. Remember, that as there are plenty of missing features that were supposed to have been included in the original build, and as there appears to be a general reluctance of editors to make a teamwork out of pressuring the Foundation to get the job finished, all the features and ideas on this page can be demanded at Phabricator by any individual. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Kudpung, I assume that there has to be some prioritization on what will likely be a long list so my support is intended to reflect that. However, if the WMF should have already done this, then I guess it should already be top priority. I assume that the reason we see only a few records until we scroll down to load a few more is to reduce server/database load. That said, there should be a way to override it.- MrX 14:56, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- I also would like to see this feature added. With more than 14,000 new pages in the feed, I can't help thinking about the thousands of articles in the middle that will have to wait who-knows-how-long to be reviewed. The "Newest" and "Oldest" options let us only whittle away at the extremes of the backlog. Any progress in this regard would be appreciated. Eddie Blick (talk) 16:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
- Kudpung, I assume that there has to be some prioritization on what will likely be a long list so my support is intended to reflect that. However, if the WMF should have already done this, then I guess it should already be top priority. I assume that the reason we see only a few records until we scroll down to load a few more is to reduce server/database load. That said, there should be a way to override it.- MrX 14:56, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- MrX, We don't need to 'support' this, just insist on the WMF or Phabricator that it gets done. Remember, that as there are plenty of missing features that were supposed to have been included in the original build, and as there appears to be a general reluctance of editors to make a teamwork out of pressuring the Foundation to get the job finished, all the features and ideas on this page can be demanded at Phabricator by any individual. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
(below conversation copied from Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Archive_5#New_pages_feed_-_suggestion — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 13:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC))
It would be nice if the new pages feed had a date filter (before after or between). Also, given the number of pages per day, being able to specify am/pm or the hour (1-24 in a dropdown) would be a benefit. It would simplify working through the list IMO if it isn't already available. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 04:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Cinderella157, this has been requested in phabricator and is tracked at the task above. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:06, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- @User:TonyBallioni, thankyou for the feedback. I had a look there. I would endorse the idea of a popup calendar per what I read there. What I didn't see there was the idea of adding a time as well. I haven't programmed for years but I would have thought there would be programming tools (templates)that reduced programming a calendar popup to a single line or two, so all up, it would only be a half-dozen lines of code? Rehards, Cinderella157 (talk) 05:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- User scripts for NPP
I would like to collect the scripts people currently use to aide in NPP. Some may be worth integrating into Page Curation while others may be useful on their own. As it stands I do not believe there is a central list new or even experienced reviewers can go to find these tools.
User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js
- Gives links to previous AfDs and pervious deletions next to title.- WP:HOTCAT
- WP:DELSORT
Page -> Tools -> Copyright vio detector
- I do not recall if this is part of the basic interface or an add-on.Page -> Tools -> Expand bare references
- I do not recall if this is part of the basic interface or an add-on.
Are ther others? Which, if any, of these should and can be integrated? JbhTalk 15:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- As I mentioned above, some folks also use User:Kaldari/assessmentHelper.js or User:Kephir/gadgets/rater.js to add WikiProject templates and assessments while new page patrolling. Kaldari (talk) 20:07, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Asked a while back by Kudpung to post here, I may add a few more suggestions:
{{subst:js|User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/googleTitle.js}}
- provides a Search Google link to the right of the article title; a fine companion to{{subst:js|User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js}}
with its prev dels and prev AfDs.- WP:STUBSORT:
{{subst:js|User:Ais523/stubtagtab2.js}}
- at least nine other forks exist (cf. my notes in User:Sam Sailor/common.js), but forget them: this is the mother of them all and was updated in August to include the Architecture stub types that were added to WP:WSS/ST in 2009. {{subst:js|User:The Earwig/copyvios.js}}
- adds a "Copyvio check" link to the tools portlet that runs the current page through Earwig's Copyvio Detector.
— Sam Sailor 03:12, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- See:Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Collection_of_independent_scripts_to_bundle_into_a_'NPR_helper_tool' for an up-to-date discussion of this. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
16. Decline CSD
Discuss at #47
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As per Twinkle, a feature to decline misplaced speedy deletion tags. Suggestion for Curation is to provide a selection of canned rationales.more deais Discussed 2012, never implemented. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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17. Tag bombing
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Mentioned in 2012, it was suggested to impose a limit to the number of tags that can by applied to one article by one patroller in one session. 2 or 3 (major) tags should be sufficient to draw attention to any other glaring issues. Empirical experience would appear to suggest that new or inexperienced users place a lot of tags, but are too timid to place one PROD, BLPPROD or CSD tag. Thus the article remains perma-tagged and does not get deleted. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:11, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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18. User right
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Perhaps not the 100% appropriate venue to mention this, but a user right was first metioned in August 2012. The 'Foundation' messenger at that time implied that the Curation tutorial would be sufficient to ensure that patrolling would be done correctly. Currently being discussed at RfC. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:20, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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19. Patrolling the patrollers
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Suggested August 2012 by Jorgath: I'd like to add a sorting option to the feed to allow sorting reviewed pages by reviewing editor. Perhaps just filtering it so you only see the reviews of a specified editor would be enough (I mostly want to be able to see a list of articles I've marked as reviewed).. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:25, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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20. Build autopatrol nomination into the tool
Denied. Please refer to Wikipedia:Database reports/Editors eligible for Autopatrol privilege
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Suggested by hahnchen August 2012. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:31, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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21. More granular CSD A7 criteria as per Twinkle
Done; functionality essentially identical to Twinkle now
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Partly addressed - needs further checking. Suggested by Writ Keeper October 2012. Acknowledged by the WMF mesenger, but never followed up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Raised again mid January 2013. WMF declined to address it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:20, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Raised again late January 2013. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:23, 8 September 2016 (UTC) This is one of the two main reasons why patrollers won't use Page Curation.
Some of this is Done (see above) and some isn't, the remainder is tracked in the Phab task at right. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 22:33, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
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22. Add a waiting time for CSD A7 templates
No consensus
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Already discussed as far back as 2007 and many times since, tagging A1 & A3 with seconds or even minutes of creation is seen by many as too fast. This probably needs a consensus, but experience tends to reveal that most A7 articles are not appropriate for publication and probably never will be. The answer to this lies in the number of pages tagged A7 and the actual percentage that get deleted, and the actual percentage that actually do become recreated and kept even years later. Some work here for someone who knows their way around gathering stats. That said, there are rarely objections for a reasonably fast tagging for A7. The purpose of some of these suggestions is that A1 and/or A3 will become less frequent when creation in manspace is limited to autoconfirmed users and al others are forced through the Article Wizard where there are no times limits for submission for review Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:26, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
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23. Adding stub tags
Not a front-line priority and no consensus.
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First mentioned October 2012. Patrollers adding stub tags. There are possibly 1,000s of different stub tags. Perhaps a feature such as Hotcat for subs? PamD suggestions? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:06, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Raised again in February 2013. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:29, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Raised again by Liam987in March 2015. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:07, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Raised again 28 April 2016 by PamD. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:18, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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24. Notability criteria
Done
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Option to specify which notability guidelines a page fails when adding Notability tag. Suggested March 2013 by Atlantima. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Raised again by AnupMehra, and VQuakr mid January 2014. There is an infeence here that editors are not using Page Curation because Twinkle offers better options for tagging. The WMF 'messenger' suggests that adding these features to Page Curation would simply add clutter. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:52, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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27. Delay
Opposed
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I suggest that unpatrolled articles should be listed on the Page Patrol Feed only after a delay of at least 30 minutes. Given the new users could use the time to do (understand) whatever they want to do. I'm suggesting this because I have seen comparatively new users hastily tag bombing articles which are just 2 minutes old. I'm also of the opinion that Special:NewPages should officially be shut down. I understand that it is not the best thing in the world to keep any problematic page hanging around for 30 minutes – it may contain copyright vios or BLP vios, but what difference does it makes? Dozens of copyright vios are found daily on stale user subpages which during creation goes totally unnoticed. Furthermore, since I support the opinion of not indexing before patrolling, I think the delay will not make any major negative effects. Jim Carter 11:42, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
You both raise some valid issues and you both miss differnt other ones. Hence my opinion will probably meet opposition from both of you:
So there you go, guys.The rest is up to you when you list all the features above in your order of preference on the poll page that you have been informed about. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:00, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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28. Tag for hist merge
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Several times I've come across a page during NPP that has been copy-pasted to a new title, rather than moved properly. It would be nice if the page curation toolbar would simplify placing the appropriate templates as described here. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you ONUnicorn, certainly worth considering. There is a bot that already includes an automatic edit summary 'possible cut and paste creation'. This information should be provided in the curation fly-out which up to now permanently displays "no isseus detected with this article'. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
- Kudpung, do you think that this is any desirable? This can be easily added:-) ∯WBGconverse 14:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- Original request was fulfilled by me, months back but K's request is yet to be. ∯WBGconverse 12:52, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
- Useful, see my comment above, but it is probably not one of the most urgent priorities. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:33, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
30. Filter by experienced editor
Done via other efficient means.
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It's currently tedious to look through the New Pages Feed in an attempt to find editors currently creating many articles who may be eligible for the autopatrol flag. There's a database report for editors who've created many articles, but many of these editors no longer create articles, so this isn't as useful as knowing who's active and eligible. Ideally, this would filter to only editors who've created 25 new articles, but we could also filter to 1,000 edits or similar if that's easier. ~ Rob13Talk 14:26, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
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31. ORES integration
Done
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ORES is a project that uses machine learning techniques to detect various types of edits. For a start, NewPagesFeed can be set up filter only pages determined to be vandalism by ORES. In the future, maybe a fifth model that detects whether an article will be deleted and even if it will meet individual CSD criteria can be made. Implementing ORES will help patrollers identify detrimental content faster, potentially boosting our currently low reputation for accuracy. Esquivalience (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
I'd also just like to have the ORESarticle quality assessment (i.e. start/stub/B/C/GA) to be listed in the page curation feed. I have found the ORES assessment to be very good when using the new alpha version of therater tool, which features ORES integration. This would give a good idea about what the article quality is, and it would be awesome to be able to 'sort' by ORES assessed article quality. This would help users review the quality of articles that they want to, and would also help in identifying potential candidates for DYK from the new page feed (which are usually assessed by ORES as B or better, sometimes even assessed as GA). — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 21:33, 12 November 2017 (UTC) |
32. Additional tools
User:Looie496/Watchlist pinging: Suggested 2011 by Looie496 in a user space essay (probably why it has gone largely unnoticed), this could well be a valuable feature for seriously minded patrollers. This may be possible as a local script of some kind without WMF intervention to the MedaWiki software. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- Support It's like Looie946 was reading my mind--I'm often reluctant to nominate for deletion right away, but have no mechanism to track which entries to circle back to if not improved (as, ironically, if they're not edited, then they don't show up on my watchlist--even though the abandoned ones are the ones that need addressing). Innisfree987 (talk) 04:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
User patroll report, one of the most valuable tools for monitoring New Pages Patrol. CReated 2013 by Scottywong,its later versions also included repports on who has recently been patrolling and wo the most active patrolers were. Editors taking the responsibily of porting tools to labs from ToolServer apparently declined to maintain this. Perhaps TParis, or MusikAnimal could look into it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- Integration of "Previous AfD/Previous deletion" notices. There is a user script for this but you have to know it is there and install it. JbhTalk 14:08, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- I never got the ping, but improving the User Patrol Report is something I'd be interested in :). I assume Jbhunley is talking about WP:MOREMENU that indicates if a page has previously been at XfD? Indeed the info is not very obvious, but that's not what MoreMenu is for anyway. This would be a fine addition to Page Curation. Kudpung, are these suggested improvements logged on Phabricator? We should try to port them if possible so we can squeeze them into our developer sprints as 10% time (extracurricular) — MusikAnimal talk 04:46, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- MusikAnimal, I'm hoping other users will help me share the work on these initiatives so I haven't personally logged any requests at Phabricator - ever. I don't know how to do it and I'm still smarting from my experience with the WMF devs at Bugzilla over ACTRIAL. That said, my global account lets me log in to Phab and I am able to make comments there and offer suggestions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- Watchlist ping-back may be discussed over a separate CT_Project:- meta:Community Tech/Watchlist item expiration. I don't know what all User-Patrol did but the sole-mentioned job - maintaining a list of active reviewers - has been taken over by User:Community Tech bot. A flag about previous deletion has been now integrated into the NPP. Overall, nothing more to do over here. Archiving. ∯WBGconverse 13:11, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
33. Template:New unreviewed article
Curator should automatically remove Template:New unreviewed article when the article is reviewed, especially since likely very nearly 100% of the time it is placed automatically by the new article tool. I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people either assume it already does this, or aren't really sure that they should currently be manually removing the template from reviewed pages. TimothyJosephWood 14:45, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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34. Removing the 250 character limit
Done
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Could we remove the 250 character limit when sending messages to page creators? This is extremely easy to exceed when suggesting multiple ways an article could be improved and seems to be an unnecessary inconvenience, as any reviewer could go around it by creating a new user talk page section from scratch. The text in green is what exceeded 250 characters in this suggestion. Forcing brevity might lead to explanations that are more vague and ultimately more confusing for newcomers. Mz7 (talk) 20:00, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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35. Using draft talk pages
Under discussion at AfC
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Per this discussion and that discussion, we could start leaving review comments on draft talk pages? (There needs to be another on-wiki measure to make talk pages easier for newcomers to discover; this can be achieved by banners or messages as appropriate and is discussed on wiki elsewhere.) Gryllida (talk) 20:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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36. Key word search
A user tool has been developed
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Is it possible to introduce a keyword search for the New Pages Feed filter. I am happy to work on the backlog but would rather review pages closer to my area of interest.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:22, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
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38. AfD categorization and sorting
Not sufficiently important
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The Curation tool does not do either basic AfD categorization or deletion sorting. The former is needed to give it equivelent functionality to Twinkle, which overall is required if the goal of getting people to move from Twinkle to the tool is to be met. The later, while the delsort script is good enough, would streamline the process and also lead to more reviewers doing sorting at the time of nomination which would cut down on the need for others to it. JbhTalk 17:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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40. deletion logs
Continue discussion at #55 below
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would be very nice if it supported CSD/PROD logs, similarly to twinkle. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 01:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
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41. Filters
See #36 Keyword seaching
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new filters on the patrol backlog by WikiProject or other way of evaluating the domain of the content (for example, could use the report criteria of User:AlexNewArtBot) -- that way I could know that there is a good chance of a patroller with domain interest to look at the page. (for example, I use Bambot to do this with Category-based backlogs) . Sadads (talk) 22:30, 19 June 2017 (UTC) |
43. Date range filter
Be able to filter new pages by a date range within Special:NewPages Feed to make pages in the middle of the backlog easier to access and review
- @Mduvekot, ONUnicorn, and Kaldari: I've added this to phab since it seems like something that no one would oppose and would have a fair amount of benefit. Kaldari: alerting you so you can follow or alert others if needed/ask for any explanations. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. Sounds pretty straightforward. Kaldari (talk) 22:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Support - yes, probably very useful to be able to select which 'ignored' middle bit of the list to work amongst. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks!~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 00:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks from me too, obviously. I really appreciate all the work you're putting into this TonyBallioni Mduvekot (talk) 01:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks!~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 00:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Support - yes, probably very useful to be able to select which 'ignored' middle bit of the list to work amongst. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. Sounds pretty straightforward. Kaldari (talk) 22:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
- Support - This ties into my suggestion below. And please make it easy to use, with a slider or at least a calendar widget. It shouldn't require keyboard input and or multiple mouse actions.- MrX 21:04, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- MrX, if you could make that suggestion in the phab task so those working on it can see it, it'd probably be more likely to be acted on. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:07, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
45. Curation panel size
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The Curation window should be bigger, and resizable by clicking and dragging its corners. This would bring it more in line with the slightly better clarity and overview in the Twinkle window. It would obviate the necessity to scroll it down to see and click on the 'add this comment' button. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:49, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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46. Page feed: added 'previously deleted'
Duplicate proposal of #7. Recreations
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Add 'Previously deleted'. This would highlight recreations. This should not be too difficult to implement. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 7:52 am, 9 June 2017, |
48. Encourage new patrollers to qualify as New Page Reviewers:
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When reviewing a page and seeing that it is already tagged, we should be able to send a notification to patrollers who added the tags, point out improper reviewing practices and encouraging them to apply for NPR:
Hi. Thank you for patrolling new pages. You tagged xxxxxx for one or more issues, but you did not check it as patrolled. Also, As you did not inform the author it may remain as a permanently tagged article. If you are not already a New Page Reviewer, and if you already have sufficient experience you may wish to check out this user right and apply for it at WP:PERM.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:03, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: The overall request here (encourage patrollers to request NPR rights) is not possible because you have to have NPR rights to use Page Curation. You might manually add tags or use Twinkle but even if we could detect this, which we can't, there's nowhere to expose this message. Everything is bundled into Page Curation which again requires you have new page reviewer rights. On the other hand if you are a NPR and you use Page Curation to add tags, it will automatically mark the page as patrolled and I think (?) notify the author about it, so correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see how the above scenario could happen — MusikAnimal talk 00:21, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- @MusikAnimal:Yes, I think you are wrong. ;) Unless I am very much mistaken, all taggings are shown in the curation toolbar. It's easy to tell from there if the tagger is a qualified New Page Reviewer or not. Text above slightly modified. My motivation is not to find reasons not to update and improve the NPP system software, but to encourage more users to use it :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: You see that a page has been tagged in the Page Curation toolbar because you are able to use Page Curation. The toolbar is not visible if you are not a new page reviewer, hence there is nowhere to expose this message. The message above also lets the user know if they have not informed the author that they tagged the article, which sounds like a different request than "encourage new patrollers to request NPR". Also if they are not going about standard reviewing procedures, I'm not sure we should be encouraging them to seek NPR rights in the first place — MusikAnimal talk 00:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- @MusikAnimal:. My motivation is not to find reasons not to update and improve the NPP system software, but to encourage more users to use it :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- I'm with you there, but all due respect, I don't believe this request as currently laid out is possible or perhaps even desirable — MusikAnimal talk 01:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- MusikAnimal I think you have completely misunderstood me there. Perhaps I expressed my self badly. Now if we were in a proper working environment, or at least a collaborative one of the kind where people were ready to talk over video links, this would be resolved in seconds. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:36, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- I'm with you there, but all due respect, I don't believe this request as currently laid out is possible or perhaps even desirable — MusikAnimal talk 01:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- @MusikAnimal:Yes, I think you are wrong. ;) Unless I am very much mistaken, all taggings are shown in the curation toolbar. It's easy to tell from there if the tagger is a qualified New Page Reviewer or not. Text above slightly modified. My motivation is not to find reasons not to update and improve the NPP system software, but to encourage more users to use it :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry! I get it now. You meant you as the user of Page Curation should be able to notify the previous patrollers of a page who added the tags, not let the software automatically do it. This was ambiguous to me so I have reworded your request a bit. I still however think there are two requests here "notify new and/or unqualified patrollers who are not getting it right" and "Encourage new patrollers to qualify as New Page Reviewers". Do we really want to do this with the same message? — MusikAnimal talk 17:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose-This plan need to get a lot-detailed and will add a lot of unnecessary bloat.Some manual touches to the workflow are desirable.∯WBGconverse 15:57, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
49. Notifying creators of tags
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All tags maintenance tags of any kind other than AfD, PROD, BLPPROD, NotEnglish, (which all do this anyway), should leave this message on the creator's talk page:
A new page patroller has reviewed an article you created at xxxxx and has found some inconsistencies with our guidelines. Please return to the article and address the flagged issues. In some cases the tags may eventually lead to deletion of the article. For more information please read WP:My first article or ask a question at The Teahouse
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Support, provided that this only applies to new users.- MrX 15:12, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
- Support Personally although I've created thousands of articles, I would appreciate a message when an article I created is tagged, because I would definitely go there to try to solve the problem, as many editors would, so I would support something with different wording for that. The wording here is well-suited to those who aren't autopatrolled. Boleyn (talk) 05:35, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- This could be partially addressed by Phab T204464 (configurable messages). Though it would be nice to have a different message for autopatrolled users. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Insertcleverphrasehere, This ought to happen and there even exists a template, created by the devs. But, for some unknown reason, it has been never integrated into the code or has been kicked out, at some point of time. ∯WBGconverse 08:32, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- Template:Taggednonote-NPF is the template. Need to dig .... ∯WBGconverse 06:51, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Insertcleverphrasehere, This ought to happen and there even exists a template, created by the devs. But, for some unknown reason, it has been never integrated into the code or has been kicked out, at some point of time. ∯WBGconverse 08:32, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support -- support very strongly, but when it's done we should have control of the messages, not have them hard-coded, and they should be subst'd to allow people placing the tags to change them as needed for particular cases. DGG ( talk ) 04:42, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Closed at Phab a year ago as 'resolved' by Galobtter . I realise that making the message templates is now locally configurable (or is at least a work in progress), but could someone please check that this is so. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:42, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- No, I checked just now. ∯WBGconverse 05:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Closed at Phab a year ago as 'resolved' by Galobtter . I realise that making the message templates is now locally configurable (or is at least a work in progress), but could someone please check that this is so. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:42, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
50. Proposing Autopatrolled for user creating new articles of a very high quality
Not a priority, out of scope for NPR
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When reviewing a page and seeing it is of great quality, we should be able to send a notification to the page author encouraging them to apply for autopatrolled: If you have created 25 or more articles to this excellent standard, please apply at WP:PERM for your account to be autopatrolled so that your new articles no longer need to be reviewed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Together with [[3]], I have put these through as a request to be added to the 'Wikilove' section as templated options for High Quality Submissions. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:11, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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