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Is it illegal?

Is it illegal to reach your hands down a woman's pants on the street if you're wearing a mask?

Maybe not illegal, but they would probably arrest and sue you for sexual harassment, regardless if you're wearing a mask or not. bibliomaniac15 00:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It'd be illegal in most places. --Robert Merkel 00:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The mask has nothing to do with it as you well know!--Light current 02:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Its not illegal if she wants it. Otherwise, you'll go to prison and be raped for the next 40 years. THL 11:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Where I live it's illegal whether she wants it or not. Something with indecency.  --Lambiam^Talk 13:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC) disguise

Right, on the street. Yeah, that's illegal. Whether or not they charge you depends on how cool your mask is. THL 15:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

LMFAO Chris 19:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It's assault in many jurisdictions. (If unwanted.) --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Dress like Jushin Thunder Liger when you do it. Then you've got nothing to worry about. THL 19:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Not if they're your pants. Clarityfiend 02:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course! Well done for seeing thru that. Two Americans walking down the street. On is the father of the other one's son. What the Relationship?--Light current 10:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Parents of the same child. Possibly married, but not necessarily. And if married, not necessarily to each other. JackofOz 19:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes but the important point is: its one man and one woman. Its tempting to apply the male gender by defualt to indeterminates like 'someone', American, Russian etc.

Still not necessarily. Mary and Bob get together and have a son, Bruno. Mary and Bob split up, and Mary marries Frank. Mary and Frank adopt Bruno. Somehow, Frank and Bob get to walk down a street together. Bob is the natural father of Frank's adopted son Bruno, and Frank is the adoptive father of Bob's natural son Bruno. JackofOz 08:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeerrsss....well thats the most convoluted expalantion Ive ever heard! KISS!--Light current 01:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Simple does not necessarily equate to providing the answer the questioner had in mind. I can think of at least one other correct answer too. It can be a heavy burden being a Big Picture person, but sometimes it's fun too.  :) JackofOz 02:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it illegal to reach your hands down a woman's pants.... We assume (not necessarily correctly) that the 'your' in this sentence refers to another person, probably male.--Light current 21:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Is someone wearing the pants? Philc _T^E_C^I 21:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly! Another assumption. The pants could be in a shopping bag-- in which case I think it would be OK to rummage around inside as much as you like.! 8-))--Light current 21:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Any way, enough beating around the bush, to be on the safe side I think its better not to try it 8-)--Light current 21:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps that's why he WANTED to try it---to beat around the bush! :) Lemon martini 09:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

That pun should be illegal. --Charlene.fic 15:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It is! So sue me 8-)--Light current 01:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is illegal. That can be considered sexual assault, even attempted rape. See you in 20 years, providing the other cons don't kill you. They (the other convicts) will kill convicted sexual offenders in prison. One of my kin is a Major who tells the other guards what to do. Martial Law 02:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

He is a Dept. of Corrections officer who is a major. Martial Law 05:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

A letter

Dear Reader,

Let the bells of randomness ring! If ignorance is bliss, then I am certainly joyful right now. You should join in on this jubilance; seriously, it very much can change your life if you think about it. Continue to read this monologue; it is very confusing; yes, it is; yes, this is, no? It may contain a very, very mysterious subliminal message. Maybe, when you read this, you can see a visible sign. I beg you to look at the moral of this; your life may be changed as a result. If you can name any trace of mystique inside this monologue, mull it over. Under these warnings, you should consider these messages. Understandably, all of this must be done with great secrecy, so sneakily should this letter be read. After reading this, I pray, you will understand. Don’t be feeble, and refuse to acknowledge this letter’s contents. I reveal all this for your amusement, therefore you should feel obligated, this is a special privilege. I hope you will unlock this code. Ring the bells, should you feel that this is your duty.

bibliomaniac15 01:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

No. Vitriol 01:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

When I read that, my ears started ringing. I have no idea what you are talking about, but I love how you try to confuse us. I can't understand those sentences most of the time, but nonetheless I'm not into books. =D Hyenaste^{Ring me!} 04:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I'm removing one word. The word possibly really broke up the message in the seventh sentence. Seventh? Eleventh? Ha! Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm scared. Even though that letter clearly had no meaning, I understood it. Am I God? THL 11:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

This sounds like the stuff I read in my Viagra spam e-mails. The random texts they insert to fool spambots are at most times a lot more interesting than what they advertise... 惑乱 分からん 13:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

You read those? THL 19:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

You don't? Hyenaste ^(tell) 19:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Why would I? THL 19:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but if bibliomaniac15 doesn't return, I'm going to reveal the code. We have an article about it. Hyenaste ^(tell) 22:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't realize this was a sad occasion. (If you don't get it, read a few things by Daniel Handler.) --Grace 03:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you decode it for me? I'm too lazy.

Legal in US?

Is it legal to beat somebody to death with a cactus as long as you make it look like they were eating the cactus? If not, then what if you wear a mask? If it still isn't legal, what if you bring your friends?

I'd like to vote that we delete any and all future questions that ask the legality of things that are obviously illegal, especially if the question refers to wearing a mask. All in favor? Dismas|^(talk) 03:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just curious- how do you beat someone with a cactus? --froth^{T C} 04:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The same way in which porcupines have sex? Dismas|^(talk) 04:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't that defeat the object of beating them to death?

I agree with Dismas. There's far too much crap on the misc desk; we should rv stupid questions in future. Anything that doesn't have an answer likely to be in wikipedia should be removed from the desk. Talk page discussion. Howard Train 05:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

"Likely to be in Wikipedia" is a little harsh IMO. There are a number of questions asked that don't have to specifically do with an article but are legitimate. The "roaches in cold" question isn't dealt with here but there should be an answer somewhere. And the user has already done their homework by searching google first. In short, they've looked here, googled it, and are now hoping that one of us might have some knowledge which isn't already in an article. I've often heard it said that the only stupid question is the one that you already know the answer to. In the "Is this illegal..." questions, the poster should be intelligent enough to know the answer if they're intelligent enough to be able to get on the net and post here. Dismas|^(talk) 05:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Alcohol is good in moderation and even a little beyond, but please refrain from posting questions when beyond moderation.Edison 06:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I've made a proposal on the talk page; the sort of question I'm really on about are those like this. Questions that don't have factual answers, dumb comments, patent nonsense and trolling. Howard Train 06:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

We don't need a proposal for that. It's common sense. - 131.211.210.14 09:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The amopunt of detail in the question suggests that it refers to something that actually happenened. Either that or the questioneer is a total whacko. DirkvdM 06:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Look around, he's asked several such questions. I doubt he's still on the street if he's actually done all of this. --froth^{T C} 17:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It is only illegal if they figure out he wasn't trying to eat the cactus. Whether or not they charge you depends on:

1. How cool the mask was

2. How cool you and your friends are

3. (This only matters if you, your mask, and your friends are cool.) If they are pathetic loosers who would be jealous of you, your cool mask, and your cool friends. THL 07:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

A woman was arrested the other day for hitting her boyfriend with their baby. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Dang! THL

Cythoria, Troop and Jarron!? haha, what the hell! Philc _T^E_C^I 22:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Roaches and cold

Several sources on the web (Google) say that coldness prevents a cockroach population from increasing. Unfortunately, they never say how cold cold is. A cold day in Alabama is completely different from a cold day in Minnesota. How cold is cold when dealing with a population of cockroaches? Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Average temperature here is 44 degrees, and we never have roaches. Florida, which has an average temperature of 80-something, is the most roach-infested place I've ever seen. So yes, cold will keep their population down. --172.198.40.82 07:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Arizona has a fair roach population as well, though not as large as Florida's. THL 11:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Roaches like humidity and water. Durova 14:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

They live in our very humid sewers. I wouldn't drink that water though. THL 14:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

They certainly can't do anything but hibernate when it's below freezing where they are. However, if they are inside a nice warm building, the outside temp shouldn't matter. The effect on their rate of reproduction relative to temperature would need to be shown on a chart, in any case. StuRat 02:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

History Channel's Mega Disasters

Why has'nt the History Channel done a "Mega Disaster" about alien contact ? Should there be alien contact, the whole planet could erupt into rebellion, and/or that the aliens could blow up the planet. Imagine that you're watching the news, etc. when it is announced that aliens have found us. Would that be a disaster, especially if the aliens are hostile ? They've done speculation on all other disasters, incl. what'll happen if a asteroid were to hit the planet. Why not one about aliens ? Those who are religious will assume it is the Devil, other evil comming to Earth, thus they'll revolt, while others will rebel because of the ridicule initiated to stop people from reporting UFOs, aliens as persuant to the CIA protocol, the Robertson Panel, related protocol I've found in, of all places, a issue of the Popular Mechanics magazine. It would be interesting to see what will really happen, should aliens find this planet. Will the discovery of aliens/alien contact be a disaster ? Just asking a question that would be asked eventually. Martial Law 05:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The copy of the magazine I have has a color pix of a UFO on the cover. Martial Law 05:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the program cover only natural disasters? I wouldn't count hostile first contact as a natural disaster, but I admit it would be a nifty idea if done right. ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 05:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Didn't you ask essentially the same question just three days ago? I don't know what makes you emphasize the notion of revolt so much. Few people have even heard of the Robertson Panel. The topic of alien invasion has been extensively covered from many angles in science fiction books and movies during the Cold War, rarely involving scenes of rebellion or revolt.  --Lambiam^Talk 13:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes I did. Someone else wanted to know about why the History Channel will NOT cover this matter. Martial Law 23:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Why do you assume that aliens would blow up the planet? It would take far less energy just to bathe it in high-energy radiation until everything on it dies. Since we have no planetary shield, a Death Star attack is just a waste of power --froth^{T C} 17:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen info that suggests we may be a threat, due to "our"(humanity's) hostile nature. Of corse some aliens may take advantage of that and we end up as "shock troops". I have met peopel who are devoutly religious who will revolt, should there be alien contact, while others will revolt, due to being ridiculed as persuant to certain govt. protocol, and I've met these people while I was travelling all over the US. Martial Law 23:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If the planet was blocking them from something, then they would blow it up. However, I did not create life on any other planets, so no worries. THL 19:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Any aliens that could travel to Earth from distant solar systems or even galaxies would be so advanced over us they would not see us as a threat, but perhaps a curiosity, at best. If we knew there were some strange ants that lived on a remote island, would we go there to kill them ? Why bother ? The only justification to go there at all would be to study them. StuRat 02:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bit late, but what you say makes sense by our logic. (Assuming they exist) we don't know their history, their development, their way of thinking, ect. We are in no position to say what they would or wouldn't do. THL 01:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Any life form to get to that stage of development must be interested in doing things which help them to survive and spread, and going across the galaxy (or to other galaxies) to kill off an insignificant species wouldn't do that. Of course, if they have religion, then they may have the same totally illogical thought processes that religion causes on Earth. Perhaps they would feel it their moral duty to kill off anyone who fails to worship their God. Then again, I doubt if any civilization with such insane religious beliefs (ours included) will survive to the stage of interstellar travel. StuRat 13:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

DOF Glass

What exactly is a "double old-fashioned glass", as compared to an old-fashioned glass? Is it just generally twice as large, or what? Daltonls 06:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Not twice as large, but larger according to these links: OF glass and DOF glass. Natgoo 11:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe twice as thick (see double glazing). But what's the new fashion in glass, anyway? Simon A. 09:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The Old fashioned glass is a glass for a single serving or shot of whatever, like an Old Fashioned or a single wodka on the rocks. Presumably the double variant is then for a double serving or shot.  --Lambiam^Talk 14:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

A game I can't find

I spent hours in front of the PC when I was younger, playing this game. It was an RTS, named "Dark ---", I can't remember the last part of the name. One could be either aliens or humans. The humans were really robotic, with all kinds of weapons and vehicles, while the aliens were all-organic, with artillery units who launched big balls of death from their behinds. The camera was situated relatively close to the ground - closer than Starcraft, anyway. There was blood in this game, with lots of fun effects when the aliens got smashed up by fire, even the humans' heads blowing straight off. There were a few really cool video snippets in between the single player game's missions - but there was also MP possibilities if I don't remember incorrectly. It might have surfaced around 1996-1999... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Maybe this goes into Humanities, I can't tell. The BASE structure, that is the HQ, was always a single platform. When enough resource was gathered, a dropship could come down, and plant a module on the platform, enabling the possibility to make Rambos or two-legged gunrobots and whatnot. 81.93.102.3 11:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Lol, I know exactly what game you mean I just cant remember the bloody name of it. Joneleth 13:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

For a list of games whose name starts like "Dark—", see List of computer and video games: D-H. I didn't spot one that seemed to be what you described, but have a look for yourself. I see we're lacking in historical perspective, or else the arcade game Dark Invader would have been listed.  --Lambiam^Talk 14:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Dark Reign perhaps? Great game, I loved it back then. ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 17:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Aw yeah, I played the demo for that dozens of times when I was like 12, and I've been casually looking for it for a couple of years. Great game :) --froth^{T C} 17:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I eventually found it. :) Dark Colony was the game! 81.93.102.3 19:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Dark Colony... I wouldn't have remembered of it, since I never could get the damn thing to run in my computer. :P ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 22:25, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Linking to Wiktionary

Is it possible to link a word in a Wikipedia article to the corresponding word in Wiktionary (assuming, of course, it does exist there). (The idea is to allow the reader to make a quick check on an unusual word.) If this is possible, what is the exact syntax of the expression to be used? Honti 12:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[[wikt:word|Link]] produces Link. You could do it with other language wiktionaries too, I think, but I forgot the expression, now. 惑乱 分からん 13:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If you don't want to change the word, you can use the pipe thus: "[[wikt:word|]]", resulting in "word".  --Lambiam^Talk 13:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yes you can, but remember that links to other Wikipedia articles are preferred if it's possible to make an article instead of linking to an external one and that you shouldn't go around mass-linking to Wiktionary without extensive discussion. - 131.211.210.14 09:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Musical by Janov???

This is a serious question, believe it or not. In my copy of a book by Arthur Janov, The New Primal Scream (1991), there is on the first page inside the soft cover, the following: "He is concluding a musical for the stage called Scream! and is in the process of creating a film video series , The Universe of the Mind." I have been unable to find any reference to these in Wikipedia or through a Google search, but I ran across a mention of the musical some time back in an interview with Janov which I found on-line somewhere but have misplaced the link and it doesn't come up in any of my searches. Any clues would be most welcome. -GrahameKing 13:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• There's a bit of weirdness. One site I found says the Celine Dion song, The Colour of My Love, comes from that musical; however, both our article and All Music Guide give the credit to Arthur Ganov, not Janov. I think those are both mistakes, though; read this interview with David Foster. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Well, that is very interesting! Thanks very much.-GrahameKing 21:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyone with the DVD of The Rules of Attraction?

At 46:00, there's a trumpet solo in the background where Mr. Lance Lawson (Eric Stoltz) and Lauren (Shannyn Sossamon) are. Can anyone identify it?

Thanks.

Harwoof 13:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Does the soundtrack list offer any help? --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Harwoof, I'm sorry I'm a tiny bit late to this party (and indeed to the one in the film) and that you haven't edited since 2007, but, hey, what's almost 13 years between friends? And, for all I know, maybe you still check in anxiously every single day to see how your question is doing just now. Anyway, Jpgordon's massive hint is indeed what you need(ed) – the second item listed there on IMDB, the Grand March from Act 2, Scene 2 of Aida by Verdi, is indeed the highly trumpetty tune about which you're asking. I just checked the film on Amazon and the cue there is at 0:48:14 when he hits the remote, though he has it set up to go straight in when the trumpets enter – real life has a bit more, ahem, foreplay than that in it. If you Google the Grand March from Aida you will find roughly 63 billion versions. Hope this helps, greetings from the future, and best wishes DBaK (talk) 23:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
    • PS – COI declaration and ridiculous claim of spurious OR-ish expertise, yeah right: I own some trumpets. I have played this tune a lot. That doesn't mean I have to like playing it, you understand. But, my goodness, I've played it. So I hereby certify all the above as absolutely guaranteed 100% something-or-other. Yes. Thank you DBaK (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Can you buy The Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask in any store in Orlando,Florida?

Is there any place near Orlando, Florida where you can buy Majora's Mask? Please it needs to be new.The game was released in 2000.The name of the store and price would be greatly apperciated. Thank You. -Millie Ramos

If you want to play it with an N64, you'll need to get an Expansion Pak too. If you merely want to play it, and don't matter what console it is on, and you have a GameCube, you could endeavor to find a The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition disc- however, it's likely not to be new. For the cartridge, try eBay or similar, but again they're likely not be new. I don't think you'll be able to get a new one at all easily. Vitriol 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

What has labelling got to do with media? On my list it says Editing Procedures: Labelling! help

I bought this game in 2003 and I had a lot of trouble finding it. $60 for the game and $20 for the expansion pack. It's a very good game -on par with ocarina of time- so it's worth the price. I'd recommend searching ebay for the zelda collectors edition disc. It's pretty expensive (though not the $80 I payed for it) but it also includes every other zelda game up to wind waker, including link to the past which is the best zelda game IMO so yeah definately worth it. --froth^{T C} 17:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

You mean "excluding A Link to the Past" which isn't on the Collector's Edition disc, since it was released on the GBA. --jh51681 18:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Gasp you're right! :( --froth^{T C} 18:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I got the collector's disc in the used games bin in my game shop for cheap :D I don't like Majora's Mask though; it's tricky and it's never clear what you have to do. Vitriol 21:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Well it's the only challenging zelda game besides A Link to the Past. I get all nostalgic over woodfall, I love the idea of snowhead (literally bringing spring to the area, plus the dungeon was very cool not to mention tricky), I had a great time in the gerudo fortress, hated the water temple but the bosses were great, and ikana / stone tower is some of the best that nintendo has ever done. So many amazing memories.. yeah that game was great. So many memorable areas like the deku palace, the zora concert hall, the beavers dam, the goron city, and above all clock town --froth^{T C} 23:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Setting up a company in UK

Hello, I may set up my own design company in UK. I am under 18, and wouldn't require any additional money etc. What pages are good for reading up on setting up a (very) small business IN UK (ENGLAND)?

Thanks

As an individual you can just do business (as what is called a "sole trader"). You don't need a licence or to register for VAT and you certainly don't need to incorporate (that is, to properly set up a limited company). You can even call the business something (and have premises, or advertising, or business cards or whatever in that name), so long as you make it clear that you're not really a limited company. So you could call your business "Incredible Designs", but you have to have (at least on the premises and on receipts and contracts and tax declarations) "Timmy Smith trading as Incredible Designs". Don't use "inc.", "ltd.", or "plc." in the name of your business, as they mean it really is a company. I don't know what the tax and National Insurance situation is for traders who are under 18 - call the "new business" helpline at the HMRC - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/home.htm . And keep records of everything you take in or put out. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think you can legally run a business's financial site if you're underage/a minor. You'll probably want to get an adult in to avoid legal problems. - 131.211.210.14 09:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

You can. There may be problems with gettign credit, as debts mayb not be enforcable against a minor, but anon says credit not needed. A company can be set up cheaply (<< £100), but I don't know age restrictions for shareholders. Advantage, limited liability. Finlay's advice is good. Rich Farmbrough, 13:07 19 October 2006 (GMT).

Homework

I know that the referance desk is not a place to ask homework questions. I am not doing that. I am asking a question about homework. So don't chide me for that.

I have a sizable dilema. I cannot understand my math homework. I looked in the textbook, I do not understand it there either. Everyone I know that has the same homework is not home, or will else not answer their telephone. I cannot go to my math teacher before, during, nor after school (for lack of a study hall and time). I must do this assignment, for I do not want to put a dent in my grades. What do I do? Musli Miester 20:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not true that you shouldn't ask homework questions here. People are (rightly) chastised for asking Wikipedia just to do their homework, but if someone asks for pointers to information on a specific topic or asks a reasonably general question, it's very likely that someone will be helpful. So asking "Factorise this quadratic equation" isn't going to work, but saying "I'm having trouble understanding how to factorise quadratic equations" is fine, and people will point you at stuff to read and non-wiki tutorials. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Well what is the work you are tuck with? 172.201.152.4 20:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to say "stuck". :-) StuRat 23:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, Looks like I forgot to sign in too, not a great post... Ahwell, hehe. Philc _T^E_C^I 21:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

And remember to ask it at the math reference desk ;-) —EdGl 20:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Maori Legend

Hi, When i was young i remember hearing a legend of a maori giant that had fallen in love with a maiden and had somehow died and when he died his body became part of the countryside i also remember a Picture and Photograph coming along with this legend

Can someone tell me what the name of the legend is or even better provide me with one of the pictures or the photograph

Thanks Catman503 20:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Catman503

Could it be the legend of Te Mata written about here (or for a text in HTML, see here)?  --Lambiam^Talk 21:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hedge mazes

Anyone know where to find a list of the top "n" longest hedge mazes in the world with their years of accession (planting) and dethronement. I read elsewhere that Longleat had the title from 1975 but has since been outdone. -- SGBailey 21:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

From our article Maze and various other sources:

• Longleat, Warmimster, England: 2.72 km [1]
• Noah's Ark Zoo Farm, Bristol, England: with 3.2 km said to be the longest hedge maze in the world, planted 2003. [2]
• Peacemaze, Castlewellan, Northern Island: 3.15 km, planted during December 2000 [3]
• Klaas Voogds Maze, Soekershof Walkabout, Robertson, Western Cape, South Africa: 13870 m² net area, October 2001 [4]
• Wandiligong Maze, Wandiligong (near Bright), Victoria, Australia: 2 km according to a cached page of their web site [5], although you'd never say so from the image on the Ovens River page.

I did not find a consolidated list (but did not look hard). In ant case, a Google search for [longleat peacemaze soekershof noah] gets 0 hits.  --Lambiam^Talk 22:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

This page has collected information about the "World's Largest Mazes", using also the Guinness Book of World Records 2005. It does not confine itself to hedge mazes, and I can't tell in all cases what we have.  --Lambiam^Talk 22:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It appears to not be a simple answer - with much of the problem being the definition of largest - path length, maze area or ... I had wanted to add a section to (or order the existing info in) hedge maze, but it looks like it will take more effort than I expected. -- SGBailey 09:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Potatoes

In terms of nutritional value, do potatoes count as a Fruit and Vegetable serving or a Grains serving? Jamesino 23:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

In the U.S. new Food Pyramid, potatoes are vegetable (sub-type starchy along with peas and corn) Rmhermen 00:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like they were counted as vegetables under the "Four Food Groups" plan as well. Rmhermen 00:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Since starch is a complex carb, I would count them as a grain. StuRat 00:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Potatoes are starchy vegetables. -THB 12:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

In practical terms I'd say it depends on whether or not they're served with the skins, since nearly all the nutrition is in the skins. It also depends on whether they're fried. Durova 15:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

They aren't vegetables, but rather are tubers. Since there isn't any category on the food pyramid for tubers, that leaves open the question of where to place them. StuRat 15:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

If you were wondering, potatoes do not count as one of your 5-a-day. Englishnerd 17:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)