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Template:Only Murders in the Building

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Redundant template: all links are available at the parent article Only Murders in the Building. Provides no further ease of navigation. -- Alex_21 TALK 23:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Current holders of minor Korean Go titles

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Unused navbox that nobody has shown an interest in keeping up to date for years. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Current Taiwanese Minor Go title holders

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will merge – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Current Taiwanese Major Go title holders

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Unused navbox with just two blue links in the body. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PR-FedRep

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Unused navbox with just one blue link in the body. Not useful for navigation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:University of Leeds Wikimedia

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No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links. Created in March 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Usurpation requested2

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No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links. Created in 2010. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mississauga Steelheads

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The team is now the Brampton Steelheads and no articles directly related to the now-former team including their championship win does not exist. Redudant and outdated navbox. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Miss Supranational 2011 delegates

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Only two links. Not enough to navigate. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Formula V8 3.5 teams

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Unused and is just a list of teams and drivers. This information is easily found on the main article. It's not like other sport competition templates that would list winners as in players of a team. Not sure what can be gained from this. Same could go for other racing team templates. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Extremadura UD squad

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Defunct team. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FK Rad squad

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Unused and outdated. No need anymore as it is a fourth tier team and main articles contains no information on current squad. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AFC Progresul Spartac București squad

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Unused and outdated. Current squad list on main article contains no links to players. Navbox for team players not needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chelsea Departments

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Unused and only three links. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Football at the 1912 Summer Olympics

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All three contain either one link or two. Not enough to navigate with for a sidebar. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ethnic groups of Korea

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Inxperienced user seems to be mashing up a lot of these navboxes together, without paying attention as to how navboxes work. I think we need to consider WP:COMPETENCE here. --woodensuperman 15:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show me the manual how to use navboxes? Can you show me the section of the manual telling that this is not how navboxes should be used? Do you expect people to maintain multiple navboxs with huge conceptual overlaps? Leoshuo (talk) 15:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NAVBOX; WP:NAVBOXES. This is a mess. Do you expect people to clean up after you? --woodensuperman 15:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What mess are you referring to? Are you going to remake the existing navboxes in new navboxes when they are already there? Do you have the navbox manual I am looking for? Is that just your preference or there really is a rule saying we can't put other navboxes into new navboxes? Leoshuo (talk) 16:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The mess is the way you have created navboxes as envelopes for other navboxes like you have here, at {{White English-speaking people}}, and elsewhere. This is unnecessary, as any relevant navbox/link should already have the link/transclusion, or it is split into smaller navboxes for a reason. Either consider discussing a proper merge, or leave as discrete navboxes. There is no benefit to nesting in this way. Also see WP:BIDIRECTIONAL. And WP:SMALLTEXT, as each time you nest, the text gets smaller. --woodensuperman 16:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you show me your ideal navbox, with other navbox(es) embedded inside. Nothing to do with {{White English-speaking people}}. We are talking about the {{Template:Ethnic groups of Korea}} Leoshuo (talk) 16:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We shouldn't have other navboxes embedded inside, that's the point. Either the navbox is appropriate or it isn't. The correct procedure would be to discuss a full merge. --woodensuperman 17:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your suggestions. Nevertheless, after thoroughly reading WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, I understand that it is entirely your personal preference that relevant navboxes cannot be incorporated into other navboxes. After reading WP:SMALLTEXT, I understand that I did not make any mistake against it. Wikipedia:NOTHERE is a strong allegation. Please try to carefully use those allegations. I have agreed that the template for White English-speaking people should be deleted. That was a navbox I made in an earlier stage, but I am satisfied that all other navboxes I created are necessary and consistent with their main articles. I would like to talk with the Administrators for those issues. I appreciate that you have plenty of time and energy, and I would love to see you making more good-quality articles Leoshuo (talk) 19:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ethnic groups in Taiwan

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Botch job of merging multiple navboxes. This is not how we use navboxes. --woodensuperman 15:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show me the manual how to use navboxes? Can you show me the section of the manual telling that this is not how navboxes should be used? Do you expect people to maintain multiple navboxs with huge conceptual overlaps? Leoshuo (talk) 15:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your suggestions. Nevertheless, after thoroughly reading WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, I understand that it is entirely your personal preference that relevant navboxes cannot be incorporated into other navboxes. After reading WP:SMALLTEXT, I understand that I did not make any mistake against it. Wikipedia:NOTHERE is a strong allegation. Please try to carefully use those allegations. I have agreed that the template for White English-speaking people should be deleted. That was a navbox I made in an earlier stage, but I am satisfied that all other navboxes I created are necessary and consistent with their main articles. I would like to talk with the Administrators for those issues. I appreciate that you have plenty of time and energy, and I would love to see you making more good-quality articles Leoshuo (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Carter G. Woodson Book Award winners

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Spot the blue link in an ocean of black... I cannot see how this much unlinked text can provide any meaningful or useful navigational function. There isn't even a list article on the subject. --woodensuperman 13:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The more recent entries tend to have links for their authors if not titles, and the template is divided into sections so the oldest ones need not be displayed. The template could be updated to further divide by decade, to reduce the number of displayed entries. Why is existence of a matching list article considered a factor in whether a nav box should exist? A guideline notes their complementary nature, and the irrelevance of deleting one based on presence of another. I don't believe absence should be a factor in deletion either. —ADavidB 16:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:EXISTING, WP:WTAF and all the points of WP:NAVBOX, specifically point #4. There should definitely be an article before we even consider a navbox, not least for WP:VERIFIABILITY reasons, and considering how little linked text there is, we should leave it there, because this is useless for navigation. It would be far more useful as a list with context. --woodensuperman 16:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Big Sleep

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Redundant to {{Raymond Chandler}} --woodensuperman 13:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Liberal political parties in the Netherlands

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For the same reason as here: We already have Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands. I believe these templates per ideology make the template lists too cluttered, especially for active parties. Dajasj (talk) 12:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This template is far for inclusive than Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands The Banner talk 15:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Socialist parties in the Netherlands

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For the same reason as here: We already have Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands. I believe these templates per ideology make the template lists too cluttered, especially for active parties. Dajasj (talk) 12:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This template is far for inclusive than Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands The Banner talk 15:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:US Banknote Contest/new

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Unused templates for Commons event that ran in 2019. Gonnym (talk) 11:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - The templates were moved to Commons. I thought I had requested deleting years ago. - ZLEA T\C 16:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Uzbekistan squad 2024 FIFA Futsal World Cup

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Unused navigation template with only one player blue link. Even if this were in use there are not enough blue links for a navigation template. Gonnym (talk) 11:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:White English-speaking people

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused giant navigation template with no real main article. Even if this were in use I'd advocate for its deletion. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anglophonic White people will become a main article. This is just a part of preliminary preparation.
What is your reason for "Even if this were in use I'd advocate for its deletion."? Leoshuo (talk) 11:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a huge template, with visually smaller (and imo, ugly) nested navigation templates. Articles should always be created before a navigation template is created. Gonnym (talk) 12:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I agree. As long as you are not biased against White people (I am not White btw), your candid suggestions are useful. Please delete the template. I will remake it after I create the article Anglophone White people Leoshuo (talk) 17:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:US electricity generation by coal table

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Unused table. Coal power in the United States seems to be using a different table and format. Gonnym (talk) 11:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TLunarEclipse stat table

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Unused Lunar eclipse template. Gonnym (talk) 11:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SPIstatusentry/color

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Unused after being replaced with this edit. Gonnym (talk) 11:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Eras Tour

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This template was recreated by the same editor and underwent a similar deletion discussion back in November 2023. The rationales in that previous discussion still stand: except for "Opening acts" and "Records broken" (which are miscellaneous lists anyways), all articles can be found in {{Taylor Swift}} or {{Taylor Swift songs}}. And I stand by WP:ATC, this template is not particularly helpful. Ippantekina (talk) 02:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The template is for accessing all the articles that are directly relevant to the Eras Tour. Yes, links to all the articles could technically be found in The Eras Tour and Template:Taylor Swift songs etc., but those two have since ballooned into a massive article and a massive template. Only the 35 songs that were performed at every show are included, compared to the numerous in "Taylor Swift songs".
Also, it may not be helpful for a fan who is already well-versed in the topic, but rather it’s oriented for a reader who only has surface-level knowledge. This template is important because it condenses all the topics and articles related to the tour into one smaller template, instead of having to hunt for them in various other articles and templates. “Eras Tour” itself has already become a notable topic of its own, so it necessitates having its own template. TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 06:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like recentism to me... Ippantekina (talk) 07:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a recreation by the same editor for the same template then delete per WP:G4. Gonnym (talk) 10:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Indian kingdom

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Unused. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:GL

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Unnecessary list which associates "GL" with unrelated templates. Think of how many templates start with the letter GL or can be abbrievated as such. No need for this. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors

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If for navigating purposes, only two links then it's not enough. But in terms of names, only the end of both templates are different. Footer and genealogical tree can't be hard to see as different and it would show up in the search bar using "Template:Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors" as the first words. This can't be too confusing enough to disambiguate. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/United States

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Unnecessary and better to navigate for the time with Template:U.S. COVID-19 case charts for the time being. The California and Massachusetts are not linking to different templates other than the subpage or a subtemplate. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MAL

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No links in this template disambiguation has any links related to the name of the template "MAL". Instead, its for countries that have the same three letters at the start of their name. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as useful and helpful. This is what disambiguation pages are for. Someone logically types "MAL" as a country abbreviation for one of these countries, and they are directed to this disambiguation page, which helps them find the right template. Without it, they have to hunt around. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cabinet

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If anyone wants to find a template that is about a government cabinet, the search bar in the top right can be a better way than this template. Search "Cabinet of [name of country]" or "[name of politician]". Politician could be a prime minister or president of a nation or some leader of a province/state.

Listing all the cabinets would be overkill and Category:Cabinet navigational boxes and the subcat of Category:Cabinet navigational boxes by country and its subcats is a better way to navigate for them. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AMD Epyc 9005 Turin

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Unused and a chart containing the same info is on Template:AMD Epyc 9005 series. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unused duplicate. Gonnym (talk) 10:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Indices of Deprivation

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Unused and all articles in the body of the navbox is redirects to the main article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as all pages have been redirected, so nothing to navigate to and from. Gonnym (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Riovic

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Unused and only one link which is subject of an Afd and no main article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Serves no purpose with only one link. Also template was made by a COI user.
Imcdc Contact 01:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Timeline Classical Composers 20th Century

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Unused timeline. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Meh. Looks like I created it myself, almost 20 years ago. Templates like this seemed like a good idea at the time. Now, not so much. Deciding which composers to include is a maddening exercise in original research and opinion. I'll probably never edit one again, for that reason alone. Are these templates useful at all? Maybe, but it's certainly not obvious to me. If consensus is to delete that's fine with me. Antandrus (talk) 05:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This template was in use until an edtitor deleted/redirected List of classical music composers by era without discussion. — Gor1995 𝄞 10:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Given that the page was being actively discussed, I don't think Walsh90210's unrationalized-redirect was justified at all. That being said, I do generally agree in the page not being particularly encyclopedic, so see no reason to restore it myself. Aza24 (talk) 15:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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