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December 29

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Category:Wikipedians with Erdős number ∞

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians with Erdős number ∞ (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is essentially a "not" category. Includes by default all Wikipedians who have not co-authored a mathematical paper with someone who has an Erdős number. I would also suggest merging all of the other Erdős number categories to one category, but that discussion is for another nom. VegaDark 08:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who think the Xbox 360 is superior

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The result of the debate was UpMerge to Category:Wikipedians who play Xbox 360 - jc37 09:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who think the Xbox 360 is superior (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wikipedians who play Xbox 360 - Just like the DS category below, this should be upmerged as it isn't useful for collaboration to have a subcat like this. VegaDark 08:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians that welcome new users

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The result of the debate was No Consensus to Delete (Note: Comments by VegaDark and Kafziel are intersperced amongst the rest.) Rename to Category:Wikipedians who welcome new users. - jc37 09:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians that welcome new users (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

same as Category:Wikipedians in the Welcoming Committee †Bloodpack† 03:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But if you welcome new wikipedians, it does not necessarily follow that you're on the welcoming committee. Man, there's some crazy "logic" getting thrown around on this page lately. I have no particular problem with deleting the category, but let's at least pretend to have a better reason than this. Kafziel Talk 05:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
yes, but if you love to welcome new wikipedians yet youre not in the welcoming committee, then lets just suggest they join the group =D †Bloodpack† 05:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 28

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Category:User du

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User du - This is quite different from the "bullshit" category. While that has an inside joke, I don't see how anyone can speak Dumbass. This one should be deleted, possibly even speedied, at Mike's discretion.--WaltCip 21:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Meh. This looks pretty well used, although to see the real purpose of it you need to look at the "du-0" category because most users use it to say they don't speak dumbass; in other words, if you're a dumbass, leave them alone. Perhaps not in the spirit of a kinder, gentler Wikipedia I suppose, and I'd say a userbox could suffice (rather than an actual category) but at the moment I don't feel strongly enough about that to say it needs to be deleted. Kafziel Talk 21:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 26

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Category:User en-B

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is an odd one, and I'm not quite sure what to do about it. Here are the options:

If you have a "keep" vote that runs along the lines of "it's funny", or "can't you take a joke", your statement will not be counted. I want a LEGITIMATE reason to keep this category.--WaltCip 23:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid. Please, kind sir, count my statement, please? I grovel. - crz crztalk 23:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I for one speak dumbass and am found in Category:User du-1 - crz crztalk 23:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa. Let's calm down a bit, and WP:AGF here : ) - jc37 23:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I find your humor blunt, crz, but I'll not use it against you. If you can find a legitimate reason to keep it then we can work things out. At the moment, though, I'm nary convinced.--WaltCip 00:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I admit that my humor is blunt. I did not vote keep, I merely ridiculed some of the more interesting parts of the nom. - crz crztalk 00:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yessirree, I'm a deletionist. ;) --WaltCip 00:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, at least nominate all the bullshit and dumbass cats together. I'll vote delete for that. - crz crztalk 01:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who prefer the Nintendo DS over the PSP

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The result of the debate was Merge to Category:Wikipedians who play Nintendo DS - jc37 09:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Category:Wikipedians who prefer the Nintendo DS over the PSP, not useful. Dylan Lake 04:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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December 24

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Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY

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The result of the debate was No Consensus. Making it a sub-cat of Category:Wikipedians interested in New York. - jc37 05:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY to Category:Wikipedians interested in New York per naming conventions. VegaDark 21:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: I have pre-empted the nom by creating the target as it expresses a different idea and may co-exist with the earlier cat. - crz crztalk 02:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as nominator. VegaDark 21:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. alphachimp 21:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as worded. While renaming per naming conventions is necessary to meet Wikipedia requirements, no reason was provided for saying "interested in" instead of "who love" as the name originally intended. For consistency with what the users previously accepted when identifying themselves with this category, I would argue that we should rename instead as Category: Wikipedians who love New York. You be interested in New York and hate it, you know. Doczilla 23:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I chose "Interested" in New York for two reasons. First, look at the parent categories. "Wikipedians interested in a region" and "Wikipedians interested in the United States", this goes along with that. Second, the justification for this category existing is the fact that it can be used to search out users for collaboration on an article, which "interested in" more conveys IMO. VegaDark 23:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 23:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Rename - I think I'm going to shock people and suggest that we don't have to mindlessly follow consistancy. I think this is a case (similar to a previous CfD concerning movie monsters) where WP:IAR applies. I think we should lean more towards "most common usage" in this case. - jc37 23:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. WP:IAR does not apply in this case, since it's not assisting in collaboration or reaching consensus.--WaltCip 23:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Does "it's" refer to WP:IAR, or to the category in question? (In either case, I think I might disagree.) - jc37 10:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose rename, at least as the proposal stands. What's with all this "interested in" stuff? I found this discussion because evidently "Cancer Wikipedians" was changed to "Wikipedians interested in astrology". I'm not interested in astrology. I was born in June. I couldn't care less about astrology. People who love New York aren't necessarily interested in New York. Lots of people who love New York barely know anything about it outside Times Square or the Garden. Changing the name changes the meaning. I'm not a fan of the heart graphic, but this "interested" stuff isn't the solution. Kafziel Talk 17:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • What do you mean? There's no consensus here. Even discounting Crz's "cute" comment (which it shouldn't be, since it's perfectly valid - it's not the actual reason he gave for keeping the category), there are 5 comments supporting deletion/renaming and 4 opposing. That's not consensus. Kafziel Talk 18:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't say I liked it. I didn't say it was harmless. I didn't say it was cute. In fact, I said I didn't like it. But I (and others) also said that the current proposal is unacceptable as it changes the meaning. I'm sorry if that confused you for whatever reason, but that doesn't make it any less valid. Kafziel Talk 20:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • In looking at the above... No one actually answered User:crz's presumably rhetorical question, nor was there a request to clarify. Wouldn't it make more sense to attempt to answer the question, and/or to request a clarification, than to attack the commenter (or subsequent commenters) or their choice of comment? - jc37 21:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - WP:ILIKEIT is an essay. It's rather useful in showing those in a discussion positive ways in which to contribute. However, AFAIK, it's not used extensively in determining consensus (though I have seen it's precepts used from time to time). I think one of the best uses for the essay (besides instruction), is as a reference when asking another comentor to further clarify their reasons and rationales, rather than arbitrarily discounting their choice without further discussion. An example might be: "My read of your comment above follows what I typically avoid due to the essay WP:ILIKEIT, could you clarify and/or more fully explain your comments?" - And Wiki-♥, such as WP:EQ and WP:CIVIL might just trump WP:ILIKEIT. As someone once said: Just my two pence worth : ) - jc37 21:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Clarify: There's no policy reason to delete this. It's neither offensive nor inflammatory. It doesn't come in the form of a box. It doesn't violate naming guidelines - there are no guidelines for this. Most people DISLIKEIT, some people LIKEIT, who cares. What is the impetus to rename/delete here, anyway? Whom does it bother? I am BOLDLY preempting the debate by creating the target cat - let it exist along with this one. - crz crztalk 01:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Thoroughly and quintessentially pointless. If it must be retained, rename as nominated. The heart thingy is downright idiotic and violates naming conventions. —ptk✰fgs 18:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I heart New York myself, even though I've only been there once. So what? This fact offers nothing insofar as my (or anyone else's) Wikipedia contributions are concerned. And yes, as it was correctly noted above, just because I like NY does not mean I am interested in it at all.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename (or rather merge now that the category has been created) – Keeping in mind that the primary purpose of user categories is to aid in collaboration (and Wikipedia does not exist simply as a method of expressing one's self), I don't think that Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY serves any purpose beyond that which Category:Wikipedians interested in New York does. I know that we could rename it to Category:Wikipedians who love New York, but in my opinion, consistency in category names is generally more important than using titles that people like. At the very least, I think it should be renamed to remove the "♥" character. Since most people don't know how to type that character, it makes it hard to search for the category (especially since we can't do redirects on categories), and Jimbo himself has expressed dislike for non-English characters in titles. —Cswrye 16:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a rather good set of observations. In general I would agree with them, except that I think there are times in which an exception is and should be allowable. I think that this is one of those times. What hasn't been addressed so far, is how this is different than "interested in". I think it has to do with the ambience. One may not be interested in the facts, figures, and trivia of NYC, and still love the "ambience". The sense of feeling that involves the culture, the architecture, even the weather (Broadway, the Staten Island ferry, Coney Island, etc). And I think such people would be rather positive members of a collaboration discussion. This also has the added support of being a "common name". See: Image:Ilovenewyork.jpg, and the associated article I Love New York. Note that Talk:I Love New York has had several discussions about this, which have led to "no consensus". See also: I ♥ Huckabees, for a similar situation. If this category is kept or results in no consensus, I think that we should make some category redirects (examples are on the aforementioned talk page). - jc37 21:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Was bold and created Category:Wikipedians who love New York and Category:Wikipedians who love NY as category redirects, per above. - jc37 21:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: it occurs to me that, if kept, this could start a trend. I don't have any problem with that, as long as they are such cities (Paris, Rome, Venice, etc) which are known for such "ambience". No offense meant to the locals, but a category named Wikipedians who love Boise would and should be deleted. - jc37 21:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians with a Kinsey Scale rank

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The result of the debate was No Concensus to Delete; Consensus to Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Kinsey Scale. - jc37 09:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians with a Kinsey Scale rank - Another category that is all-inclusive. All Wikipedians have a Kinsey scale rank. Does not facilitate collaboration, userbox is enough. VegaDark 11:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - So it helps Wikipedians collaborate by telling each other how they have sex?--WaltCip 21:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - It'd be a bit worrying if we could only collaborate with users exactly the same as ourselves. I know plenty of people with my exact sexual orientation with whom I have nothing else in common. Also, it seems a bit exclusionist - NPOV articles should be constructed by a range of individuals with different viewpoints who can reach consensus on key points which then become a good article. For example, a political article about a key partisan figure may have several people in the same party, people in several opposition parties and several neutral (even overseas) contributors, who between them can construct a much better article than any one of them. Orderinchaos78 05:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -The problem is that the category isn't precise enough. By including both ends of the spectrum in the same category, it makes the category less than useful. It would be like having a category which listed cars by their colour, but included the entire spectrum. So red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet cars would all be categorised together. Which defeats the purpose of having a scale for demarcation of the degrees of separation (whether Kinsey's scale or the colour spectrum). - jc37 20:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - This is exactly like having a category called Category:Wikipedians who have a sexual preference, as is. Jc37's comment above is precisely why i nominated it. This is way to broad as is. I wouldn't be opposed to a rename to split the category into Wikipedians with a kinsey rank of 0, Wikipedians with a kinsey rank of 1, etc., but as is this category isn't helpful at all since it is all-inculsive. VegaDark 21:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete imprecise category that can include everyone on the planet. Doczilla 23:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you don't believe that the Kinsey scale is accurate, or that it applies to you. — coelacan talk — 02:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nevertheless, you would still have a score on the Kinsey scale. It is an all-inclusive category, independent of whether or not you agree with its sorting method. —ptk✰fgs 02:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
False. It doesn't rank asexuals, for instance. We're rather off-topic now. — coelacan talk — 03:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, off-topic's not a reason for bottling out of the argument. This is all an attempt to reach consensus and find out whether the category stands in its purpose to categorize people. As the title stands, though, it's not worth being kept, no matter how many people vote "keep". Wikipedia is not a democracy.--WaltCip 15:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Category:Wikipedians interested in the Kinsey Scale is accurate. — coelacan talk — 05:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And I suppose you didn't read the rest of the thread, as we're discussing a renaming now instead, which would take care of the all-inclusiveness. — coelacan talk — 03:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - No offense, but when I'm editing, I really don't want to know what my counterpart's sexual preferences are, nor would I like him to know mine otherwise.--WaltCip 16:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Confused Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 11:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Confused Wikipedians - Looks like it was originally created as a joke. Is a subcategory of itself. Either delete, or rename to Category:Wikipedians with Mental confusion and place it as a subcategory of Category:Wikipedians by mental condition. I'm not sure if mental confusion is considered a mental condition though.
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Category:Wikipedians who neither trust nor distrust Jimbo

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The result of the debate was - Delete - jc37 11:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who neither trust nor distrust Jimbo - a "double" not category. Serves no purpose that I can think of, and cannot be used for collaboration. VegaDark 05:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 23

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Category:Bored Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 11:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bored Wikipedians - Subjective benchmark. (Bored compared to what or who?) And while at first glance it would seem to be useful as a suggestion that these Wikipedians might be "bored", and therefore "looking for something to do or help collaborate on", the userbox which populates this states: "This user provides information using user boxes because he or she is bored." - jc37 10:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 22

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Category:Wikipedians who are TIME Persons of the Year 2006

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete.--Mike Selinker 03:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who are TIME Persons of the Year 2006

Delete. I get the joke, but logically speaking, it should include every single Wikipedia user as well as every person with Internet access who isn't on Wikipedia. -Sean Curtin 06:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, maybe even speedy it, per nom. VegaDark 08:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete - as a category which potentially includes all Wikipedians. - jc37 09:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep-There are tons of userboxes (and their corrolated categories - which this is) that could potentially include everyone: Obviously everyone in en.Wikipedia speaks some level of English, but those userboxes (and the Wikpedians who speak English category) are what started it all. But it ulitimately won't include everybody. Some people don't even use userboxes. A lot of users don't even have user pages. Some people might think it's dumb. Some people don't even know the userbox exists. The reality of the matter is that it will only include people who enjoy the joke, like say: This user is happy to help new users. Or This user releases their info in GDFL. both of which I know exist.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 15:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean the categories with the userboxes or the userboxes themselves? -- Chris 73 | Talk 17:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians with strong feelings about abortion

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted due to being empty and by author request. VegaDark 19:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Category:Wikipedians with strong feelings about abortion, which I created in error during a previous Cfr and which is an empty Cat. - Xiner 15:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 18

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Abortion

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus (there's a shocker).--Mike Selinker 02:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Category:Pro-Life Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians Against Abortion
Rename Category:Pro-Choice Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians For Legal Abortion

Pro-life is a loaded term, as is pro-choice (see Pro-life#Term controversy). Wikipedia should not be a place for politicking, and divisive/explosive categories such as these should not carry controversial terms. As it stands these two categories violate rule #8 of the guidelines, namely by being inherently controversial and POV. They will stay here due to the strong feelings on both sides, but they should state what they are, and no more.

My proposal should satisfy everyone's needs within the rules of Wikipedia. You may identify with the current categories, but that doesn't make the names any less POV, and in fact may contribute to it.

  • If you're against abortions, you can choose Category:Wikipedians Against Abortion;
  • If you believe abortions are wrong, but that it'd be more wrong to outlaw them, you can now identify with both categories, or just the latter.
  • If you believe abortions are okay, then you are necessary for legal abortion.

It'd be unwise merge both groups to Category:Wikipedians with strong feelings about abortion. It excludes people don't feel strongly about the issue. Those that do will identify with one of my two categories. Xiner 15:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete both - The reasoning is that categorization does not necessarily create a hospitable, user-friendly atmosphere. Also, it will spark controversy and POV wars on topics pertaining to the subject, and people will immediately make assumptions based on the category that they use. Furthermore, the idea of having these categories is that you're either for one or the other, and the Wikipedians who have uninitiated themselves in the categories immediately make these all-inclusive by double standard.--WaltCip 16:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all but rename if not a consensus to delete. If people want to state their positions on abortion with userboxes let them, but why do we need a category for it? I can't see anything good coming from having these categories. VegaDark 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • We call it "Delete and salt the earth." I'm fine with deletion on this, but I don't think we should make a habit of predicting re-creation of categories. If it comes back, we can salt it then.--Mike Selinker 19:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I can definitely see how this information can be useful for collaboration. (And I oppose the rename(s), because it creates "not" categories.) As for the naming convention, "most commonly known name" is the general guideline. Can someone point me to a reference to what such groups, or individuals choose to call themselves? - jc37 23:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • One issue separates "pro-life" groups from "pro-choice" groups, and however you paint it, it's still an argument about whether we should allow or ban it. The most common name will not do if it violates the guidelines, either. Xiner (talk, email) 00:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all subcategories of Category:Wikipedians by politics or Keep both. While these are particularly divisive affiliations, they are political affiliations. The question here is: do we want user categories for political affiliations? —ptk✰fgs 03:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not the criterion I posed for this nomination. "Kill all ____" could be a political affiliation, too. Are you equating all such categories now? Again, please read my nom. Xiner (talk, email) 14:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I don't think the nomination as it stands would accomplish anything. My preference would be to nuke all those categories. What would be more helpful would be to replace them with things like "Wikipedians interested in abortion politics" or "Wikipedians interested in Eastern European politics" and so forth. While the two terms are used somewhat imprecisely to refer to people who support legal abortion or oppose abortion, there are plenty of folks who support legal respect for personal choice in general as well as folks who oppose anything they deem to be killing of other humans. Renaming them as nominated would make the categories more accurately describe some members, and less accurately describe others.
    Comparing "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" to "Kill all ____" is at best intellectually dishonest.
    Also, you need to amend the nomination to "Wikipedians against abortion" and "Wikipedians for legal abortion", as the title case formatting doesn't follow naming conventions. —ptk✰fgs 20:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    "I don't think the nomination as it stands would accomplish anything." What about the reason I wrote for the nomination?
    The analogy from Pro-Life' and 'Pro-Choice' to 'Kill all ____' is absolutely valid if you assert as you did that political categories supersede the "divisive" criterion.
    The case formatting can be dealt by the closing admin, if necessary. Xiner (talk, email) 20:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    "...there are plenty of folks who support legal respect for personal choice in general as well as folks who oppose anything they deem to be killing of other humans." They are called libertarians and sane people, respectively. Xiner (talk, email) 20:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    "...sane people..." ... While I'm certain that we all appreciate your point of view, I might suggest that using your point of view in this way should be avoided. - jc37 13:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Jc37, I was addressing your concern that people would have no other categories to identify with if these two categories were deleted, but you seem to be taking an unnecessarily combative tone here. Can we all take a deep breath and assume good faith here? Xiner (talk, email) 14:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't appreciate someone who tries to spark a political opinion and attempts to mediate a discussion at the same time, Xiner.--WaltCip 16:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    There's obviously a huge misunderstanding here. Guys, please listen, I have no idea where this hostility is coming from. Honest. So please let me know on my talk page. I'm still here if you talk about the nomination itself. Xiner (talk, email) 17:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    If you feel that I'm in some way showing you "hostility", I apologise. That in no way is my intention. My statement was/is a gentle suggestion to consider that there may be a POV bias here (which is not uncommon of political or philosophical issues). As for your request for further discussion, I might point you to my continued requests for further discussion. As I've repeatedly requested, I wish for further clarification. I appreciate that you feel that your nomination was clear enough to you to understand your perspective, but that hasn't responded to my request for further clarification. Rather than follow suit and request that you read my request again, I'll "re-request": Please specify what guidelines you feel that these violate. I'm not necessarily saying that you are incorrect, but I would like some specific examples. Concrete data and facts would be a "good thing". - jc37 21:38, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I appreciate that, Jc37. I didn't want the discussion to restart every time someone asks a question, but I really should repeat my case at least once. So here it goes. I will try to summarize my arguments here, but please understand that I may miss one or two points from the discussions that have already taken place.
    My nomination rests on the fact that (from the nom) "these two categories violate rule #8 of the guidelines, namely by being inherently controversial and POV." The rule doesn't exclude political categories by default, for while they may be opinionated, they do not always pass judgments on others. These categories violate the rule, however, because they inherently label their opponents, as is explained by my response to tjstrf above. Since the labels are inherently POV (see the link to the Term controversy in the nom), and their labeling of their opponents are inherently controversial, they are exactly what rule #8 tries to prevent.
    Others have also noted that they do not serve any of the functions that categories are intended to serve on Wikipedia. Xiner (talk, email) 22:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    "these two categories violate rule #8 of the guidelines, namely by being inherently controversial and POV." - please give links to the "guidelines" that you're referencing. (All along I probably could have presumed, as - by this time - I'm fairly well-versed in the various guidelines, but I'd like to know specifically from where you're quoting/summarising. The first step - especially in a political or philosophical discussion - is to make certain that we're all on the "same page", before moving onwards : ) - jc37 22:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Argh, I was copying from the nom and the link didn't get pasted. Xiner (talk, email) 22:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Btw, is the link showing up on the nom? Because that's why I've been asking people to read it. I don't want to misdirect people. Xiner (talk, email) 22:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but since you have continually said "guidelines" (plural), I was curious if there was anything more applicable that you were also referring to. I can think of a couple, but, so far, such discussions have been controversial. (For example, consider this comment again, from that perspective.) - jc37 10:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    A guideline is a rule. Since I'm talking about one of the rules, I'm talking about one of the guidelines. I can now see what you were asking though. Xiner (talk, email) 15:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The suggested renaming (capitalization corrected) would make the categories as tame as any other political ones, although their value as Wikipedia:Categories would still be questioned. Xiner (talk, email) 00:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Our goal isn't to make them "tame" (Wikipedia not being censored, etc) but to see if they can be accurate and useful. As far as I can tell at this point there are two issues:
    1. Should "Supporter/Critic of X" user categories exist?
    2. Are the current names the most common, and the most precise?
    As far as I know, we don't currently have a consensus about the first issue. There have been several discussions, which have yielded no consensus, and varying consensuses (consensi? : ) - And whatever the outcome of this discussion may add to that overall discussion, I don't believe that this discussion alone with determine that eventual consensus (unless it sparks a new discussion somewhere, which may). And I believe that the category names "pass the test" for the second issue. - jc37 10:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I've been arguing that the two questions you raised here must be subservient to rule #8. They are not explicit parts of the guidelines precisely because they are often disputed. However, if the categories are inherently POV and pages added to them are controversial, as these categories are, then they should not fly. No one will argue that a user page with a Republican userbox is not a Wikipedia:Republican, or that a page with a Democratic userbox belongs there, but some will argue that self-proclaimed "pro-lifers" support laws that damage lives, while others argue that "pro-choice" people are more "pro-life". Again, the two current categories are thus perfect examples of what rule #8 is intended to stave off. Xiner (talk, email) 15:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's the thing...These are user categories. So unlike other categories, WIkipedians self-place themselves into these categories. That means the concern about citations/references is unwarranted in this case (except, of course, if the person is misrepresenting the truth about themself). While I think discussion about such categories is a good thing, as there has been no consensus about this in the past, I am concerned that we may be rushing consesus in this case. If this is closed as delete, now, I think that it will leave Mike Selinker (or whomever), in a tough situation. He'll have to determine if WP:Consensus was truly achieved here. And considering the widespread (much larger) previous discussions on this topic, I don't know if the few of us should overturn previous consensus in this way. I would be eager for further discussion about this. - jc37 23:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 15

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Category:People who wish Horizons was still at EPCOT

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker 03:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People who wish Horizons was still at EPCOT - At the very least, "People" renamed to "Wikipedians". However, considering that the building's been demolished, I don't know if this category should even be kept. - jc37 17:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 12

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Category:Wikipedians who believe West Virginia is in the South

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted due to recreation.--Mike Selinker 15:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who believe West Virginia is in the South - An blatantly obvious very recent recreation (see the page history). This actually meets my rather narrow criteria for suggesting delete due to recreation (rather narrow because I believe Wikipedia:Consensus can change). Last time I suggested a merge, but the discussion brought out that such a merge was not appropriate. And noting: the userbox is enough. Based on all of this, I believe that this can be speedied. - jc37 21:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 9

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Category:Wikipedians by astrological sign

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The result of the discussion was: merge to category:Wikipedians interested in astrology and category:Wikipedians interested in Chinese astrology.--Mike Selinker 03:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Aquarius Wikipedians
Category:Aries Wikipedians
Category:Cancer Wikipedians
Category:Capricorn Wikipedians
Category:Dog sign Wikipedians
Category:Dragon sign Wikipedians
Category:Earth element Wikipedians
Category:Fire element Wikipedians
Category:Gemini Wikipedians
Category:Horse sign Wikipedians
Category:Leo Wikipedians
Category:Libra Wikipedians
Category:Metal element Wikipedians
Category:Monkey sign Wikipedians
Category:Ophiuchus Wikipedians
Category:Ox sign Wikipedians
Category:Pig sign Wikipedians
Category:Pisces Wikipedians
Category:Rabbit sign Wikipedians
Category:Rat sign Wikipedians
Category:Rooster sign Wikipedians
Category:Sagittarius Wikipedians
Category:Scorpio Wikipedians
Category:Sheep sign Wikipedians
Category:Snake sign Wikipedians
Category:Taurus Wikipedians
Category:Tiger sign Wikipedians
Category:Virgo Wikipedians
Category:Water element Wikipedians
Category:Wood element Wikipedians
Merge all sub-categories to Category:Wikipedians interested in astrology - per Astrological sign, Astrology, and Zodiac.
Delete Category:Wikipedians by astrological sign - Other than an interest in one or more of the several astrologies, these categories are not useful for collaboration. - jc37 18:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians by current project

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted.--Mike Selinker 04:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recreation of deleted content. Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion/Archive/October_2006#October 7.--Mike Selinker 18:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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December 8

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Category:Wikipedians who use mmbot

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The result of the discussion was: delete per AfD.--Mike Selinker 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who use mmbot - Associated article deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mmbot. - jc37 01:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who stop the cars and wave in the children

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted (empty, per creator's request).--Mike Selinker 00:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who stop the cars and wave in the children - While cute... (Also, if anyone can offer some insight into the possibility that this is more than it seems, I'm all ears : ) - jc37 01:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly does that MEAN anyway? Seems rather nonsensical... 68.39.174.238 21:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who mine 4 fish

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The result of the discussion was: rename to category:Wikipedians who play Kingdom of Loathing (the image is from KoL, and the quote is often used there.)--Mike Selinker 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Category:Wikipedians who mine 4 fish to Category:Wikipedians who listen to Authority Zero - jc37 01:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete (unfortunately making this a redlink).--Mike Selinker 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who hate redlinks - Presuming this one's obvious... - jc37 01:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who fix comma splices

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The result of the discussion was: merge to category:Wikipedians who obsess over grammar (which could well merit a rename).--Mike Selinker 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Category:Wikipedians who fix comma splices to Category:Wikipedians who obsess over grammar - While the latter is useful for editing collaboration, I don't think the various specific types of grammar issues need their own categories. (And if someone can think of a better name for the latter, please speak up : ) - jc37 01:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who think this is not a laughing matter

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Category:Wikipedians who don't think forever's fun

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The result of the discussion was: deleted both (empty).--Mike Selinker 04:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who think this is not a laughing matter and Category:Wikipedians who don't think forever's fun - only members of each category are the userbox and the categories' creator (the same Person created both). They are "not" categories, but beyond that, I think I'm missing a cultural reference... (Not opposed to merging or a rename, if these categories are more than what they state...) - jc37 00:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who are kids at heart

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who are kids at heart - I almost didn't nominate this, because I think the sentiment is perfectly fine... However, the category really doesn't help for collaborative purposes... - jc37 00:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Online Wikipedians

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Category:Wikipedians who are currently online

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The result of the discussion was: merge to category:Wikipedians who are currently online.--Mike Selinker 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Category:Online Wikipedians and Category:Wikipedians who are currently online. They would seem to be the same thing. Final name is open for discussion : ) - jc37 00:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who think outside the box

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Category:Wikipedian Critical Thinkers

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The result of the discussion was: delete both (see note below on voting).--Mike Selinker 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedian Critical Thinkers - While this is nice to know that they feel this way, I don't see the need for these categories. These are populated by: Template:User outsidethebox and User:Mkdw/Read, respectively. - jc37 23:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who love WWE

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The result of the discussion was: speedily merged.--Mike Selinker 16:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Merge Category:Wikipedians who love WWE to Category:Wikipedians who like WWE - per consistancy. - jc37 01:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who like hockey

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The result of the discussion was: speedily renamed.--Mike Selinker 16:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Merge Category:Wikipedians who like hockey to Category:Wikipedian hockey fans - jc37 01:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who are fans of the Chicago Cubs

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The result of the discussion was: speedily renamed.--Mike Selinker 16:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who are fans of the Chicago Cubs to Category:Wikipedian Chicago Cubs fans per consistancy. - jc37 00:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian who think Mozilla Firefox sucks

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted.--Mike Selinker 16:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedian who think Mozilla Firefox sucks - Empty, and a "not" category. - jc37 23:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian Elfmaniacs

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The result of the discussion was: speedily renamed.--Mike Selinker 16:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Rename Category:Wikipedian Elfmaniacs to Category:Wikipedians who listen to Danny Elfman, per consistancy of Category:Wikipedians by musician. - jc37 23:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Monty Python fans

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The result of the discussion was: speedily merged (fixed the one errant template per many precedents).--Mike Selinker 06:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Category:Monty Python fans to Category:Wikipedians who like Monty Python - Per previous discussions and standard. Ultimately, a duplicate.--WaltCip 01:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 7

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Category:Wikipedians with PGP/GPG keys

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted per creator's request.-Mike Selinker 06:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians with PGP/GPG keys into Category:Wikipedians who use PGP

  • Merge, I created the former category not knowing that the latter existed. I changed the link in {{user PGP}} to point to the latter, and in no longer makes sense to have two. Avi 14:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reposted from CfD by Andrew c 02:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 6

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Category:Wikipedian cryptozoologists

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in cryptozoology.--Mike Selinker 15:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Category:Wikipedian cryptozoologists to Category:Wikipedians interested in cryptozoology - The only member is due to Template:User cryptozoology, which states: "This user is interested Cryptozoology". However, due to it's current name, it was sub-categorised under Category:Wikipedians by profession instead of Category:Wikipedians by interest. - jc37 18:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who can solve a Rubik's Cube

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The result of the discussion was: Keep.--WaltCip 13:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who can solve a Rubik's Cube - While I honestly am impressed, I don't see how this will help collaboration (outside of Rubik's Cube, of course : ) - jc37 17:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians born in August

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The result of the discussion was: delete both.--Mike Selinker 15:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians born in August - only one of its kind. - jc37 17:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians born on August 12 - nope.--Mike Selinker 18:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Offline Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker 15:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Offline Wikipedians - Unlike Category:Online Wikipedians, I don't see how this category is useful. A userpage note (whether by userbox, or whatever), is enough. - jc37 17:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fooian Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker 15:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Fooian Wikipedians - Ok, I've read over this page several times, and did some searches. This seems to be a generic religion category, to show how to make religion-based categories. (The same goes for the userbox.) Note that Foo in this case would seem to refer to a Metasyntactic variable. While it may be interesting as a project page for showing how to make a religion-based userbox, it shouldn't be a category. (Lack of an entry on this list would seem to support this - even the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Jedi made the list : ) - jc37 16:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians interested in dystheism

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The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted (empty).--Mike Selinker 17:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians interested in dystheism - Currently empty. (Previous members were only the userbox that was apparently supposed to populate it, and Category:Dystheist Wikipedians as a sub-cat - which seems to be the naming convention of the other categories in Category:Wikipedians by religion.) Note: this is the only "interested in" category in Wikipedians by Religion. - jc37 16:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians of multiple ancestries

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Category:Multiracial Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: keep.--Mike Selinker 15:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians of multiple ancestries
Category:Multiracial Wikipedians
Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity has many ways to be specific about nationality/ethnicity, but these two sub-cats seem to be too vague to be useful for collaboration. - jc37 15:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 5

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Category:Wikipedians who don't give a fuck

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker 18:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Wikipedians who don't give a fuck - While I appreciate such a sentiment, I don't think a category is needed for this. (I found this while reading through an arbcom nominee's user contributions.) - jc37 16:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 16:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - inflammatory and unuseful; Wikipedians who don't give a **** about what? --Gray PorpoiseYour wish is my command! 11:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I think it's trying to say 'Don't take things on Wikipedia too seriously', but right now it's just rather inflammatory. I'm a little neutral about MfDing the essay, though - I can vaguely relate to the sentiment... riana_dzasta 13:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, who gives a fuck? —ptk✰fgs 17:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Because...okay? You don't have to have this userbox; but perhaps others might wish to express themselves in this ironic fashion. Have any of you read the essay? These reactions seem rather of the "knee-jerk" variety, in my humble. -- weirdoactor t|c -- 00:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Please take a moment to read the name of this page, and its introduction. This has nothing to do with the userbox, merely the associated category. - jc37 14:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    jc37: while I can appreciate your having appointed yourself "Minister Of Category Deletion", please understand that a) I read and understood that "this" has "nothing" to do with the userbox, and b) I voted to keep the category, not the userbox; your "ownership" of this page notwithstanding. Thanks! -- weirdoactor t|c -- 15:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, your comment was: "You don't have to have this userbox; but perhaps others might wish to express themselves in this ironic fashion." - So I felt (and feel) that offering a friendly notice that this isn't about the userbox was appropriate. Now as for the rest of your comments. Please consider your tone, I believe that you're coming rather close to WP:NPA. As for "Minister of category deletion", well, in a word: wow. I suppose I could suggest that you look over the various nominations over the last couple weeks and see quite a few merges, and renames as well, but I think I'll just offer a counter name suggestion: "Participant in WP:UCFD". We (note the we) are trying to clean up all the subcategories of Category:Wikipedians. The goal of a User category is: collaboration, and/or usefulness in grouping together Wikipedians. If the only reason for a category is as a notice, then the category should be deleted/renamed/merged. And I think I should apologise to User:Mike Selinker, since if anyone should have the dubious appelation of page ownership, or even Minister, it should be his : ) - He's done an AWESOME job at helping develop consensus on these related categories, and deserves the majority of the accolades (though, as I said, dubious they may be : ) - jc37 14:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Yes, I did see the essay. And WP:NOT is not a sufficient argument. "Not censored" doesn't mean using an expletive every three words. Could you at least clean the thing? It's prone to vandalism--WaltCip 00:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    You..."saw" the essay. I once "saw" a copy of "The Iliad" in the original Greek; this does not mean I read it...heh. And as for the category being "prone to vandalism"; this describes approximately 85% of the categories on Wikipedia. The category is a plea for apathy in regards to the jerks on runs into on Wikipedia; not apathy TOWARD Wikipedia; as evidenced by this statement: In short: don't be a grumpy-pants, full of apathy, but remain distanced from arguments that are passionate. I can understand why you object to the language used; but as I respect your right to keep and bear arms, please respect the rights of others to express themselves in a manner in which you do not approve. Thanks! -- weirdoactor t|c -- 15:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Would you condone a category that said Category:Wikipedians who banged their girlfriend?--WaltCip 22:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    We aren't discussing that category; we are discussing Category:Wikipedians who don't give a fuck. I have a problem with the word "condone", as it speaks to "ownership" and "approval", which should not be part of the equation here. And just curious...would you condone a category for Category:Wikipedians who protected their girlfriend using a firearm? -- weirdoactor t|c -- 22:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    No.--WaltCip 01:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This category doesn't really mean anything; I mean, Wikipedians who don't give a fuck about what? Anthony Rupert 01:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Wikipedia does not exist to provide users with a way for them to express themselves. If the category doesn't aid in collaboration, it should go. —Cswrye 16:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Does not facilitate collaboration or community-building.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Cbrown1023 23:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Personally, I'm surprised at the passionate reaction because... well, you know.--Mike Selinker 17:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Also, Wikipedia:Profanity states the following. "Words and images that might be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by other Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available. Including information about offensive material is part of Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission; being offensive is not." This category doesn't pass the test.--WaltCip 19:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Anime fans

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The result of the discussion was: rename all.--Mike Selinker 18:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per Category: Wikipedians interested in anime and manga.--Mike Selinker 12:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Encyclopaedia Metallum members

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Encyclopaedia Metallum.--Mike Selinker 18:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Encyclopaedia Metallum per Category:Wikipedians by website.--Mike Selinker 11:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Users WikiProject Caucasia

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename per many precedents.--Mike Selinker 10:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:WikiProject Caucasia members, convention of Category:Wikipedians by WikiProject. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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December 2

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Category:Martian Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: delete.--Mike Selinker 17:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We just deleted "Space Wikipedians" and "Wikipedians with Lunar citizenship", so this should go too.--Mike Selinker 22:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.--Mike Selinker 17:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I hate to be the one to rock the boat, but I don't think that this is a good idea. Here are my reasons: 1) As I mentioned above there are a lot of links to this category that would be broken if the name were changed. 2) Using the term "category" in a category name is redundant. On WP:CFD, categories that have "category" in the name usually get renamed. 3) This is a top-level category, much like Category:Wikipedia. Top-level categories generally have simple name that make them easy to find and to show that they apply to everything in its subcategories. While I agree that there should not be any users listed in Category:Wikipedians, I think that this solution could potentially be worse than the problem. Instead, I suggest the following: Change any userboxes or templates that put people in this category, and put requests on the user pages of everyone else to ask them to change categories. We probably won't get everyone out of the category that way, but it might at least clean out a lot of it. —Cswrye 18:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - At this point, it would seem that we're all in agreement that wikipedians should be members of the sub-categories of Category:Wikipedians. We also agree that any templates which populate this category should be modified to not do so, or at least to point to a sub-category. The concern would appear to be about actually modifying a userpage. According to WP:USER#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space, such concerns are about "non-trivial edits". I don't think this is a "non-trivial" edit. (For one thing, it should be wholly not disruptive in any way.) I think if the edit summary linked to the relevant discussion, then at that point if there is any concern the user in question is welcome to discuss it (as is also mentioned in the guideline). This way we're in line with WP:Consensus; WP:BOLD; and WP:USER (and Template:Sofixit : ) - jc37 17:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - My comments above, aside... In giving this some further thought, I think that making this a "self-reference", is unnecessary, and may cause more problems later. - jc37 17:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Subpages or main pages of users with unsupported titles

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The result of the discussion was: rename to category:Wikipedians with usernames with unsupported titles.--Mike Selinker 17:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of WikiProject My Chemical Romance

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:WikiProject My Chemical Romance members.--Mike Selinker 17:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of WikiProject My Chemical Romance to Category:WikiProject My Chemical Romance members per standard of Category:Wikipedians by WikiProject.--Mike Selinker 15:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Portal categories

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The result of the discussion was: rename all.--Mike Selinker 18:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Uruguauyan one was nominated below, but I felt they should be considered as a group. Not sure if this is the best wording, though.--Mike Selinker 05:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I'm kind of looking forward to a discussion on these. On one hand, technically they are roughly a part of an associated WikiProject. On the other hand, It may be useful to know who actively helps with a portal. I also think "help maintain" is better than just "maintain", but I agree that other wording options would be welcome. - jc37 08:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename for consistency. --Gray PorpoiseYour wish is my command! 23:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom, wording seems OK. riana_dzasta 13:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leave When setting up Category:Wikipedians plugged into the Energy Portal, I did consider setting up a WikiProject but decided that this might be too formal, especially as there is already an Energy WikiProject. Instead I deliberatly opted for an 'interested group of contributors to the portal & topics' rather than a 'group of maintainers & administrators of the portal'. This is reflected in the name of the collaboration and in the suggested ways in which people may wish to help on the Energy Portal talk page. By changing the name in the way proposed, uniformity would be gained, but the original intention would be distorted. So, for the Energy Portal, upgrading the existing informal 'collaboration' to a formal 'WikiProject:Energy Portal' would be closest to the origial intention, if uniformity must win. But why not leave alone and use the Category:Wikipedians by portal for navigation, expanding it to include all the other collaborations, individuals and WikiProjects (which, of course, don't generally call themselves 'Maintainers of Portal X') that maintain or contribute to portals, starting with those listed in the Portal Directory. Gralo 15:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all for consistency with similar categories. —Cswrye 17:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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