Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian maritime history

earliest comments

Surprisingly, the Articles section does not seem to include articles on early colonial passenger ships e.g. Parmelia (barque). This should be in scope, shouldn't it? Also convict ships e.g. those in Category:Convict ships to Western Australia and Category:Ships of the First Fleet? Hesperian 00:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Please put it all in - we are still at work in progress in relation to the main project page - please help create a good template for the start of things ! SatuSuro 05:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

article assessment

Having an independant review of the article from within the project is beneficial to editors prior to FA and GA. I was thinking instead of a seperate system why not link into the parent project Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment. What does everybody else think? (Gnangarra forgot to sign) Gnangarra

• 'Support SatuSuro 01:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ports

I've done my bit for this project today by turning List of Australian ports into one of my Gazetteer-based lists. The main advantage for us is that the entries now link to the location of an article on the port itself rather than the port's location. For example, the previous list contained an entry that linked to Fremantle, Western Australia; now the corresponding entry redlinks to Fremantle Harbour.

I still need to disambiguate some of the entries. One question we need to consider is: should there be separate articles for port and town when the town is named after the port e.g. Coffs Harbour, Port Augusta?

Hesperian 13:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think there would need to be single articles - unless the town article is already large with no port related info - or the port had long history and lots of data about it SatuSuro 14:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a separate article for each of the dozen major ports: Port of Fremantle, Port of Melbourne, Port of Brisbane, Port of Newcastle. See Category:Ports and harbours of Australia for existing articles. —Moondyne 15:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Image needed

I've added the project to {{WP Australia}} option of |maritime=yes but we need an image for the project that can be used to populate templates and a user box. Gnangarra 02:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This is how it currently looks, I've found a gage roads image for now use {{WP Australia|maritime=yes}} Gnangarra 02:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried another img: Image:Endeavour IB.jpg but it hasn't refreshed or I did something wrong. I gotta go out now, will look at it later. Feel free to revert. —Moondyne 09:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems OK now. —Moondyne 09:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

That image is more interesting, the gag road image was just put something there Gnangarra 14:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

War time operations

This obviously needs links to the military history mob - but I do think we need it in SatuSuro 07:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Concerns

I'm a bit unsure what direction this page is going. People (and I'm probably the worst offender) are just adding links to articles and external sources and statements of ideals willy-nilly. If this is going to work, we need some structure. The to-do list should list articles to be created or expanded. Reference materials should list external and WP resources. There shouldn't be any overlap. There needs to be a single section stating aims and ideals. We don't need to restate editing policies that already exist in other WP policies. I will do a cut and burn in the next day or so if someone doesn't neat me to it. —Moondyne 01:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

What this page has shown me over the last week or so is how much stuff is already in Wikipedia related to AMH that I didn't know about. Perhaps it will serve as an index of sorts. —Moondyne 01:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure of the protocol here, can I tag articles with WP Australia|maritime=yes that already exist, eg Catalpa rescue or only after a significant change? Ghostieguide 23:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You can tag them any time. Hesperian 23:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Maritime archaeology

Hello and congrats on setting up this new project. I've added Maritime archaeology to the see also list - please categorise relevant articles with Category: Maritime archaeology, and please also contribute to the articles in this category as it is a bit of a lonely corner of the archaeology project at the moment! If someone could add a section on the maritime archaeology of Australasia (or Southern Ocean/Coral Sea etc) to Maritime archaeology, I would be very grateful. Thanks, and I look forward to comparing views on relevant discussion pages! Viv Hamilton 17:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia categories

It appears there a considerable number of underpopulated categories - anyone on how these should be displayed? List - or with sub-cats layed out as well? SatuSuro 08:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

As there has been low interest - I will continue to try to tweak that sub page again soon SatuSuro

Related state projects

As an update -

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tasmania

Wikipedia:WikiProject Victoria

Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia

Are now up and running SatuSuro 02:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Another project

Just checking - and we have also Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships which is ostensibly a military/naval project SatuSuro 14:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

New Images Uploaded

Folks, I've uploaded some external and internal snaps of replica HMB Endeavour at commons:Category:Endeavour — superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 13:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Superbfc, feel free to update Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian maritime history/Images also. —Moondyne 14:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

HMAS Sydney found?

[1] Hesperian 05:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The claim looks pretty dubious. The claim that there are dozens of sunken ships in the waters near where Sydney went down, including several Japanese submarines according to the article in The Bulletin[2], defies belief. --Nick Dowling 05:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Sydney_%281934%29#Final_battle.2C_disappearance_and_searches - it looks like the eds working on this article section have good updates and stories running in their neck of the woods its worth watching SatuSuro 05:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Peer review of Attack on Sydney Harbour

I've just started a peer review for the Attack on Sydney Harbour article, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Attack on Sydney Harbour. As this falls under the grounds of WikiProject Australian Maritime History, I'm requesting that members of this group come forward and find the flaws in the article before it makes a run for A-class review, and hopefully Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. -- saberwyn 06:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

==Is this appropriate for AMH?

Fenis and St. Joseph was an open sailing vessel involved in the Vancouver Expedition, which was a voyage of discovery in the Pacific in 1792. Its documenmted journey was from Canada (Nootka Sound) to China, which is not exactly "Australian". Opinions requested, help in expanding the article is also neededPustelnik 02:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

yes it is - in a very strange way - please check your talk page SatuSuro 02:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for ships articles

G'day, I have been searching for a while for a naming convention for ship articles on WP. Is there one? Thanks Gillyweed (talk) 10:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships). I agree that it's not easy to find - I found it via the project documentation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships. --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks for your prompt response. Gillyweed (talk) 11:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Greycliffe disaster created...

I'm really surprised this hasn't already been created - I tried hard enough to find it. 40 people dead on Sydney Harbour in a collision between a mail steamer and a wooden ferry. There's a lot more info in the references and further reading listed. --Merbabu (talk) 16:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Question

Could someone answer my question on Talk:River class torpedo boat destroyer? Thanks. Northwestgnome (talk) 16:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Item at Afd

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Queen of the Netherlands (ship) SatuSuro 05:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

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HMAS Sydney (1934)

The National Archives of Australia has (in the last few days) declassified and released a large number of documents relating to the sinking of the Sydney (see the talk page). Although already rated GA, this new information should be thoroughly digested and included. We should work towards making this the FA for 22 November 2009, the 75th anniversary of her launch. 203.7.140.3 (talk) 04:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Reorganisation of Royal Australian Navy-related categories

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Protected Wrecks Category

I've just rm Category: Protected Wrecks of the United Kingdom from Mountain Maid as it isn't a UK protected wreck. Perhaps the project needs a category for protected wrecks of Australia? Viv Hamilton (talk) 14:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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Adelaide Steamship Company

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Lady Elizabeth (1869)

Hello- I am currently tryign to increase the importance of the Lady Elizabeth (1869) page. The Lady Elizabeth played an important role in Australias history by bring immigrants from many different ports and other valuables and cargo. One problem I am having is accessing Lloyds List on the Lady Elizabeth. Currently there is no picture of the ship from what I have seen but I am still digging. I am also having problems with accessing information from the shipbuilders with hope of getting some more information, registration, and possibly build photos. Any advice is well apreciated. Lukeduk1980 (talk) 06:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The Lady Elizabeth (1869) has been cleaned up and requires re-assessment of the page to see if it meets the needs of your standards. Thank you 66.41.160.240 (talk) 15:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Can we get some extra eyes on AHS Centaur?

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Done. Euryalus (talk) 08:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

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Camperdown Cemetery

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MV Manly (1965)

I have just created MV Manly (1965) for Sydney's first hydrofoil. I will leave it to others to rate the importance to WikiProject Australian maritime history. I hope somebody form the project will be able to contribute a photo. I hope to create at least stub articles on the whole Sydney hydrofoil fleet. ShipFan 13:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Commons categorises discussion

Since this effects Military ships (USS, HMS, HMAS ect). Its looking like that they will drop the prefix from the ships name. Commons:Categories for discussion/2011/09/Category:Ships by name Bidgee (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Green Cape Lighthouse photos

It appears to me that File:Green Cape, 1917.jpg is the same photograph as File:Green Cape, 1902.jpg, but cropped, grey-scaled, and adjusted contrast. However, they are tagged as two different years. Is there any insight that this project could give on this? Thanks, —Akrabbim^talk 13:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I really have to run so a quick response. The images both have a source link from where I took them. Follow those links and you should get the origin of the year data. If they are an extract of each other I don't know. Anything else, I'll be able to answer when back from vacation. --Muhandes (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Back from vacation, I had time to look at it. As I said, both images have links to the source repository, but it seems they no longer completely work, so one needs to know how these repositories work to actually get to the data.

• File:Green Cape, 1917.jpg is from the National Archives of Australia, barcode number 4746690, part of a series of photoes commons:Category:Images from the National Archives of Australia series A6247. I believe the entire series is dated 1917, and this is what the database has to say about it:

"This series is a collection of glass plate negatives, of both original negatives and copy negatives which display high contrast or high densities associated with low contrast.

The material has been poorly processed and stored, resulting in deterioration of the plates. They have been repackaged and stored following advise from the Australian Archives conserator. The negatives have been copied on to direct duplicating film by the Australian War Memorial and are held by the Marine Operations Division of the Department.

The plates contain a historic record of Australian coastal lighthouses from about 1917."

• File:Green Cape, 1902.jpg is from the State Library of NSW, and is from a series of photos commons:Category:Images from the State Library of NSW Searcy albums. As the image (before cropping) showed, the year 1902 was written in pencil on the bottom. The actual series in the repository is called "Searcy albums : Lighthouses in New South Wales, 1902.

So that's why there are different dates. Personally, I'd go for 1902, based on more accurate dating, but all one can really do in such a case is report what the source says, I presume. I hope this helps. --Muhandes (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the clarification. I would agree that 1902 is the more reliable date, so I'm going to change the caption at Green Cape Lighthouse. I've also added links in the 'other_versions' field in the two image descriptions, to go with the note you added. —Akrabbim^talk 22:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

City of Adelaide

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Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Lloyd's Register Foundation, Heritage & Education Centre uploads 5000 documents to Wikimedia Commons

Hi WikiProject Australian Maritime History,

The Lloyd’s Register Foundation, Heritage & Education Centre have just uploaded 5005 documents from our Ship Plan and Survey Report Collection to Wikimedia Commons that may be of interest of you as many of our documents relate to Australian ports and maritime history. The ingestion is comprised of 16 boxes and accounts for 1082 ships across 184 unique places of build.

The documents include original handwritten correspondence from Lloyd's Register surveyors, ship plans and even a small selection of photographs. Examples include an annual report for Fiery Cross, a wreck report for Highwave, and cabin plan for the City of Simla.

In addition to the Ship Plan and Survey Report Collection, we are also beginning to ingest every edition of the Lloyd’s Register of Shipping until 1909 as well as a percentage of the First and Famous Collection, the world’s most iconic ships from within our collection. We will be sure to keep you updated on the progress of this next step.

Browse the full collection here.

We would really welcome some support for the resources and encourage you to share our documents on Wikipedia.

Thank you for all your help.LRFHEC (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:30, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Help with an image request

Today I took an image (see File:Remnants of the HMAS Otama at the Australian Marine Complex, Henderson, Western Australia, December 2023 01.jpg) which I presume to be the inner core of what is left of the HMAS Otama, which was being dismantled at the location. I can't be 100% sure however, never having seen the inner core of a submarine before. If anybody here has a bit more insight, can they please have a look and let me know if I have identified the image correctly. Calistemon (talk) 04:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)