Wikipedia talk:Credo/Archive 1

Article contributions

"The oldest date of the last fifty edits to pages in the article namespace" is a metric sometices used when determining how active a contributor is, particularly in article work. For at least some of the users who have signed up, their last fifty article edits go back to April 2009 (some probably further back, I didn't check all of the accounts). If the people who have signed up are going to get an account and start contributing more to articles, great. But if the people signing up are simply doing so to get something that's limited, perhaps these people should reconsider. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I signed up mainly because it would assist helping out at the reference desks (which in turn often yields improvements in article space). If people feel this isn't appropriate, I will retract my sig. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I think a RefDesk stalwart such as yourself would be an ideal person to have this facility. DuncanHill (talk) 23:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

MZMcBride, Did you only check the English language wikipedia contributions? While your general point has some validity, in terms of this ability to reach the reference material -- which appears to be freely available in many libraries in any case -- not being usefully considered a perquisite, I do think your phrasing leaves something to be desired for. "If the people who have signed up are going to get an account and start contributing more to articles, great."; strikes me as singularly unhelpful phrasing. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 23:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Hoping

Would like to add my name forlornly here in case any of the accounts aren't eligible. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 18:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I suspect you would make better use of it than User:Arcturus, whose last article edit was 2008. Kevin (talk) 22:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually it was February 2007... Why are inactive users signing up for this? There's no indication on Arcturus's user page that s/he is active in other projects... – Alensha ^talk 23:54, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Please check your library access

I signed up while at work as I was unable to check my library access, then found I had access so I struck my name. I'm not sure if everyone on the list understands what this means, so just in case: if you have a library card for a public library or university library it's very likely you can log in to that library over the web. If you go to that library's home page, you will probably find a list of resources that you can access which will take your library id and password as your credentials. I had never checked what I could get via the Suffolk County library, but it's a long list, and it includes Credo. Please do check if you haven't done so, and remove yourself from this list if you already have access. Mike Christie (talk) 22:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

This is a good point - the Credo website does not list Brighton & Hove libraries as having a subscription, so I added myself to the list. However, on re-checking the Brighton & Hove website, I find that they do in fact have a subscription. Therefor, I shall now remove myself from the list. DuncanHill (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just done the same, thanks for pointing out the possibility. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Would it be worth compiling a list somewhere of libraries/public institutions which have subscriptions? Editors could use it to see if they can get access, and to offer to look things up for other editors. DuncanHill (talk) 23:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
• There's a searchable list of all that subscribe here. Note to any UK resident; as long as you've been resident at your address for 6 months, you can join any UK library, so if yours doesn't subscribe you can join one that does. I recommend City of Westminster, as they subscribe you to lots of other stuff as well – iridescent 23:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
  • I used that list before signing up - Brighton & Hove city libraries don't come up! It was only by going to the B&H libraries website that I found they do have a subscription. DuncanHill (talk) 23:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Iridescent, that is an excellent suggestion (I live in apparently the only London Borough that offers no online subscriptions at all). Can you check Westminster's Credo list against Credo's full list of titles available please? If signing up to Westminster would free up accounts for SlimVirgin et al then we should probably act sooner rather than later. Thanks - Pointillist (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Titles at Westminster

This is the full list available through Westminster; I suspect this will be the same for all UK libraries. It doesn't appear to be the complete list (some of the science ones in particular seem to be missing), but seems to have almost all the titles.

Full list of titles at Westminster

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 – iridescent 23:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Some users like myself keep lists of sources we have access to, User:Charles Edward/Personal Library. It could be useful such users to create a larger catalog somehow to better facilitate research. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 23:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• You mean like the resource exchange? Phil Bridger (talk) 23:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

  My own (partial) list is here. I'd love to see a catalog/bot gadget that would let us search for Wikipedians with a given source, assuming that pages like this were tagged to be searchable. Mike Christie (talk) 23:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

  Using the Wikipedia search function will find listings of books and authors if they are in plain text on a user's personal list in their userspace. A search like this found one of the books in your userspace, plus others who have that book. You can also use "what links here" if people link stuff in some way, or list ISBNs (but most people don't do that). Userspace can be noindexed for search engines (the default is that they are indexed), but should always be searchable by the internal search method. Carcharoth (talk) 00:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I haven't been to a UK public library in years. I hadn't realised it was now possible both to access such things online from any computer (I thought you had to go and use the library computers) and to join libraries online (last time I joined a library I went in person and then never used the library card which ran out after three years). I can get to one of those Westminster libraries easily. I'll strike my name from the list as well. I may never go to a bookshop again... :-) Carcharoth (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC) So I feel slightly less silly, can someone say when UK libraries started offering this sort of 'over the internet' access?

The picture isn't very precise because different libraries subscribe to different services (e.g. Westminster apparently doesn't subscribe to 90 of the Credo 250 sources—see collapsed section below) and anyway there's no guarantee that subscriptions will be maintained in the current economic climate. So relying on the goodwill of another borough's library might not be sustainable in the long term. - Pointillist (talk) 00:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

90 titles not currently offered by Westminster

21st Century Education: A Reference Handbook (Social Sciences, Specialist Reference Titles) 21st Century Management: A Reference Handbook (Business, Specialist Reference Titles) 21st Century Psychology: A Reference Handbook (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) 21st Century Sociology: A Reference Handbook (Social Sciences, Specialist Reference Titles) A Dictionary of Entomology (Science, Specialist Reference Titles) Berkshire Encyclopedia of Human-Computer Interaction (Technology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Adolescence (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Childhood Cognitive Development (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Childhood Social Development (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Infant Development (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Perception (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Research Methods in Clinical Psychology (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Research Methods in Experimental Psychology (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Research Methods in Industrial and Organizational Psychology (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Social Psychology: Group Processes (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Social Psychology: Intergroup Processes (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Social Psychology: Interpersonal Processes (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Blackwell Handbook of Social Psychology: Intraindividual Processes (Psychology, Specialist Reference Titles) Britannica Concise Encyclopedia (EncyclopediasFALSE Dictionary of the Fungi (Science, Specialist Reference Titles) Encyclopedia of Activism and Social Justice (Social Sciences, Specialist Reference Titles) Encyclopedia of Anthropology (Social Sciences, Specialist Reference Titles) Encyclopedia 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Oh. Well, I won't unstrike my name as being in London I do have better access to libraries than most (it's not like I'm in the middle of some wilderness). I've wanted for some time to get back to using real books and not relying too much on the internet, and using libraries rather than bookshops. If I end up walking to a library every lunchtime because of this, that will be a good thing! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 01:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

As a general note to the large North West England contingent, while the "big" councils of Manchester, Salford, Rochdale etc don't offer Credo, Wigan Libraries do provide it. As an aside, I suspect that the more of us sign up to this and use it, the more likely it is that the libraries in question will continue subscribing. – iridescent 10:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

New York & Massachusetts

Although the link is buried in a well-hidden corner of their website, the sprawling New York Public Library system is also a subscriber to Credo; anyone who "lives, works, attends school or pays property taxes in New York State" is automatically eligible to use their subscription, although you have to attend and provide proof of ID in person before they activate your account. Likewise, Boston Public Library has a subscription open to all Massachusetts residents. – iridescent 10:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Access

Has anybody who signed up heard from these people? Not that I snap at a gift, but I'm wondering if I misspelled by email or something. Ceoil (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

No, but not that surprising; we're coming off a weekend, after all, so the place is probably unstaffed. Depending on the terms of the deal, someone at the WMF might want to go through the list as well to vet the list for dubious characters and avoid the "Wikimedia Foundation not getting best use of charitable donation and thus in legal breach of Florida trust law zOMG!" press-release that Greg has no doubt already written. – iridescent 23:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I am usually chummy with charatiable orgionisations and people giving me things for nought. But christ, Internet law? Maybe I am a "dubious character" but I want free things, now preferably. Ceoil (talk) 02:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

"Dubious characters"? I'm sure the Foundation wouldn't want to breach BLP by impugning the character of any editor on the sign-up list. DuncanHill (talk) 23:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I trust nobody in here. ;) Paradoctor (talk) 23:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Crossing myself from list. I might have access through college library, and don't anticipate using this much. JNW (talk) 01:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I now received access by mail. Password works. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Mine too...Modernist (talk) 21:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Arrived here too! Thanks to thoes who organised. Ceoil (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Duplicate?

Can someone check into current lines 29/30 - I can't tell if simple English's User:Nonvocal Scream accidentally signed up twice. Karanacs (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Quick update

I sent the Credo folks the final list of email addresses last Friday (any strikethroughs that happened since then will still get accounts - just ignore them). They'll send me a test account first, and once I've verified that everything is working correctly, I'll give the go-ahead to email the account recipients. Credo tells me they'll get this done later this week.

For those of you who have library access to Credo, note that Credo uses a tiered account model ("Credo 100", "Credo 150", "Credo 250", "Credo Unlimited"). My understanding is that the number represents the number of titles you have access to with the different accounts. These are "Credo 250" accounts; your library may have unlimited access, or it may have reduced access. So you should definitely check what you can get through your local library. Credo is giving us the "Credo 250" accounts so they can exclude some sources whose publishers may not want to be part of this program.

Specifics of the program (which additional titles people really would want access to, etc.) will be discussed on the mailing list, for those who signed up for it. I'll create that list once the accounts have been set up.--Eloquence* 19:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Eloquence, I hate to write this because of the sour-grapes aspect (I was one of the people who signed up too late), but I wonder if this was handled quite fairly. A few of the accounts have not been used for a while. Some of them were used for the first time after a gap to add their names to this page. With a charitable donation as valuable as this to content contributors, would it not have made sense to make sure the signatories were active? SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 19:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

That's a fair point. This is a first experiment, so the process is deliberately lightweight - but I agree that for future programs like this, we'd want to bias towards editors who would particularly benefit from access to additional resources (e.g. featured article writers, reliable source patrollers, etc.). I do hope that some of the recently inactive contributors who will receive accounts now will see this as an incentive to edit again. ;-) I am also pleasantly surprised by the high degree of receptivity to this, and I hope we can (much like a library) get better at servicing editors like yourself with resources that would help you. For the immediate future, people who will get signed up now will get the option of letting go of their account if they don't need it, in which case it'll be re-assigned to a runner-up from the list.--Eloquence* 02:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I was one of those who has not edited that much on here recently, however, this is because I have become far more active on another Wikimedia project, for which I plan to make full use of my Credo account. It may be possible that that is the case for others as well. CopaceticThought (talk) 20:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, but looking through them there appear to be a few that that doesn't apply to, or at least not obviously so. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 20:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

@Eloquence: some of the UK-based signatories (like me) may not have realised when signing up that they had already, or could easily get, some or all of this access through a local library card. Not everyone will have checked back here after signing up to see the subsequent discussions and strike outs. Would it be worth asking people on the list to check whether they still need this access before the accounts are created? Bencherlite^Talk 20:18, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I was just wondering but is there a time limit to these accounts. The reason I ask is because I think its safe to say that we will all leave WP for one reason or another eventually and I think it would be good if these accesses were recyclable as it were so if a user doesn't use it for say 6months or a year then it could be released to another editor. Its also possible that some of us simply don't need or want it and it would be nice if we could pass that along to another editor rather than it go unused. --Kumioko (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, should I really happen not to use the account for more than four weeks, I'll pass it on. Feel free to remind me of this promise. Not that I see it happening in the near future, but then again, I'm nearsighted. ;) Paradoctor (talk) 21:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Likewise. My code just arrived this evening (London time) and I probably won't kick the tires properly for a few days. But if it turns out I can get equivalent access by registering at another UK library, I'll happily resign my "Credo bit" in favor of SlimVirgin et al. - Pointillist (talk) 22:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Friendly challenge

The Credo Reference access codes arrived today. This resource is wonderful! Am starting to draft a Wikipedia biography for Lauro Aguirre, a journalist who was active in the Mexican revolution. "The Encyclopedia of Mexico: History, Society & Culture" is a huge help because Google Books has only spotty coverage of this person.

So let's start things off with a friendly challenge (open to anyone who has Credo access including library or university access): starting at midnight UTC on March 26, let's see who's the first person to create or expand five DYK articles using Credo.

Offering a barnstar and a courtesy restoration as incentive. Best wishes! Durova⁴¹² 21:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Good idea! I hope if we make good use of the service, and don't start fighting about it, there will be more offers like this. --Apoc2400 (talk) 22:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to opt out of that one. 1394 hits for "paradox", and the concept map has five identically-labeled centers. Bliss! ^_^ Paradoctor (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Account update

Credo has informed me that all accounts have now been emailed out. If you didn't receive an account, but expected to, please email me at <erik at wikimedia dot org> and I'll look into it. There was a very small number of people who applied through the web form, but didn't also add themselves to the sign-up sheet -- this was a necessary validation step, so I've skipped over those applications.--Eloquence* 00:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I haven't received mine. I'll email erik now. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 22:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Usage

Credo does have some excellent resources (which helped make Edmund Evans FA)...but it doesn't seem to be used much. A linksearch shows less than 86 links in mainspace to credo...yet 100 accounts were given out. Perhaps some of those accounts ought to be redistributed?Smallman12q (talk) 20:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

You can start with mine. Sadly, I'll not be able to contribute as much as I used to, so the account would be wasted in my hands. Paradoctor (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I haven't been making as much use of mine as I had hoped to either. I'd be happy to see it go to some worthier soul who would use it for more content generation and improvement than I. --RL0919 (talk) 02:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm really glad to see people volunteering this. If everyone who isn't using the accounts would be willing to release them, we could hopefully redistribute to people who'd use them. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 08:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

As a general update:

Credo has generously offered a large number of additional accounts (up to 400 additional ones). The process that I used for the first batch was pretty clunky and time-consuming, so I've been using this as an opportunity to look into better strategies for Wikimedia to interface with external databases like Credo. As part of his contract work for the Wikimedia Foundation, User:^demon is currently evaluating what it would take to build a standard technical interface between Wikimedia and information providers (starting with an evaluation of EZproxy, a commonly used but unfortunately proprietary proxy for external databases). This is a slow-burn project, so I don't expect that we'll be able to find a solution quickly, but I hope we can keep moving this along steadily, as I think it could enable many more partnerships with information providers.

In the short term, if someone wants to volunteer running a process to get an additional batch of user accounts (I need a spreadsheet of home wikis, e-mail addresses and user names, and enforcement of some reasonable minimum requirements like edit counts), I'd be more than happy to relay the final list to Credo and get those accounts created. That'd be easier than trying to identify and re-allocate unused accounts (which we can always do later if we run out of free ones). Anyone up for volunteering to run a process for an additional, say, 200 accounts?--Eloquence* 00:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Well in any case, I won't be accepting one, in case the spillover list from last time is used, as I don't anticipate using it. Still, the first time was a farce as many well-known "hat-collectors" who just try to sign up for every job and status to get famous, and never edit, got them ahead of a few others who actually write something, SV for example YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to set up a spreadsheet, but I've asked someone who does, and I'll also be asking a few Wikipedians to suggest inclusion criteria. Personally I'd like to see them pretty strict, because this is a significant charitable donation, and incredibly valuable to regular content contributors. Access to subscription-only reference works is a major obstacle for content contributors who don't have access through their universities or local libraries, so I hope we can focus on need plus likely benefit to the project. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 11:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• I lose access to all my databases in October, and will suddenly become crippled and blind. Remember me when you're handing out database access... • Ling.Nut 11:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• Obviously it should be biased towards proven, and active content contributors. I may be biased as a FA specialist, but if you are contributing at that level, you should be on the A-list for this. Like Ling Nut, for example.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• Setting up a 200 row spreadsheet is fairly trivial, just a matter of reading the e-mails and inputting the data after some checking. Hopefully someone can get moving on this; the last call for them was gone in hours, so something less "cattle-call" would be nice this time. Finding a criteria that doesn't focus on edit count will be difficult, as "one GA/FL/FA in any language" might be too restrictive. Then again we're only talking about 200 accounts to go around. Courcelles 11:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

For criteria I was thinking along these lines:

• potential recipients should have no free access to Credo or similar through their university or local library;
• they should have been editing regularly for at least a year;
• the focus of their edits should be content contribution in the sense of creating articles or adding material using reliable sources;
• they should have at least 1,000 edits to articles;
• they should have one FAC or GA nomination to their name (even if not a successful one), or alternatively they'll commit to nominating something within the next year.

Any thoughts? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 12:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I like the bursary model - "this is a supplement for people who are already making use of it but find themselves unable to gain access". I'm not sure we've a hundred of those people - it's mainly the university-leaving cohort - but we can certainly reserve a batch for them. So perhaps ways of identifying someone who regularly uses subscription databases (of whatever form) or paywalled reference sites would work here - we can probably take it on trust that if they already have access, they won't be asking for it!

Another option is to assign them conditionally. I'm not closely familiar with how Credo works - we used to have a subscription to them, but cancelled it a couple of yars back, so I can't have a play with their admin interface to find out - but it's possible that we might be able to set this up in such a way that we can determine if any individual account in the set is active or inactive. Every three-six months, run the check and identify the unused ones; reset the passwords on those and dole them out to new users. We're maintaining a constant level of individual user accounts, this way, just changing "who holds the keys", so it should work within the spirit of the restriction. Shimgray | talk | 12:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I received one of the original CREDO accounts back last year. It has been a useful asset at times, but in terms of overall value, I have mixed opinion. There is certainly not enough comprehensive information on most topics to author an article of significant value here. Using Credo alone, for the purpose of writing featured content, or even good content, is not possible. To be frank, I have not found enough information on topics to write anything more than a start class article. I always had to go outside of CREDO to get a more detailed view of the subject. It is good as a reference tool to point you in the right direction, and to look up basic and cursory information. I think that creates a fairly narrow use for wikipedia editors. When I write an article here, I am generally trying to cover the topic in detail, not write a stub. The area that I see CREDO having the best use would be for fact-checking and for editors who do not have access to a public library. Maybe other editors have had different experience? But IMO, CREDO is useful only for writing limited quality articles, and trying to get it to content builders is not really the way to go. It would be much more useful in the hands of our reference desk, vandalism fighting page patrollers, or editors who like to write starter articles. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 13:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Nonetheless, I would suggest reserving accounts, should they desire it, for the top fifty FA contributors, and to allow for rookies, anyone who is in the top 20 for 2010 but hasn't yet reached the top 50 overall.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Having seen Credo popping back up on my watchlist recently reminds me that I was sent details about an account even though I had scrubbed my name off the list. I've never used it. How do I pass it on, please? Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 13:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• Give it to SlimVirgin. I have dibs on the next time someone surrenders the Keys to the Kingdom. • Ling.Nut 13:22, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That's very kind, Ling, but I'd feel uncomfortable taking it ahead of anyone else on the list. I'd rather wait to see if I get lucky this time round. :) SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 13:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps add unwanted and disused accounts to those to be given out this time?--Wehwalt (talk) 14:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• My own activity revolves around AFD and DYK. I oppose reserving such accounts for GA/FA work as my impression is that activity in these areas is well-serviced already and you get diminishing returns once an article is past start class. FA work seems to be about dotting the i's and crossing the t's and most articles at this level will already have an abundance of sources. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
  • There's a tendency here to categorise editors in rather constraining ways, as FA/GA editors for instance. Sure, I've worked on a few FA/GAs, but I've worked on a damn sight more little things that'll never be taken to those elevated heights, at least not by me anyway. I have one of the initial 100 Credo accounts, and although I've never cited Credo I do use it as an additional fact-checking tool, as I also look at new pages and I've been known to undertake the odd review or two. BTW, I can assure you that there's a lot more to FA than dotting the i's and crossing the t's. ;-) Malleus Fatuorum 17:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I also lost my library access *sob*. I'm close to a few colleges and I've been thinking about seeing if I can get some kind of access as a member of the local community. I haven't had time to look into it yet. I'm still not sure if someone else farther away from higher education institutions would benefit more than I would. --Moni3 (talk) 15:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd say there needs to be some kind of "demonstrate that you have a use for this" criterion. Presumably, Credo are monitoring the usage of these accounts, and will have noticed that at least some of the subscribers to the first batch are the usual-suspect "hat collectors" who've not actually used the thing once.

I do agree with Charles Edward above, that most of the information available through Credo is frankly not particularly useful. (I've cited it a grand total of once.) It's possible that we're taking this too seriously, making a fuss about something that most people don't actually have a use for. – iridescent 16:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

So how about we just start a list of people who want it—minimum one year of regular editing, 1,000 edits to articles—and rather than just signing, each person has to explain why they need it (e.g. lots of content contribs, no access to a university library). SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 16:29, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd go with that. Worth repeating again, FWIW, that (at the moment, anyway) anyone living in the UK is eligible for this via public libraries (if yours doesn't subscribe, you need to join one somewhere that does, but all UK libraries are open to all UK residents). – iridescent 16:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Although none of my local libraries subscribe I know (because you've told me) that Westminster Library does for instance. I find it handier to log in directly to Credo rather than through a library web site and having to remember yet another library membership number, but laziness isn't a very good justification for me to have an account as opposed to someone from outside the UK who wouldn't otherwise be able to access the site. I'd be quite willing to give up my account to someone in more need of it than I am. Malleus Fatuorum 17:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

PS. I do hope that the "hat collector" comments weren't addressed to me; I hate hats with a passion. Malleus Fatuorum 17:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Wigan libraries offer it as well, which I imagine is rather more convenient for you... – iridescent 17:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

PS. With Westminster (and I assume everyone else) you only have to go through the logon process once; after that it remembers your logon details and puts you straight in. – iridescent 17:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

With all the online resources from Manchester libraries you have to log in again to each of them, prefixing your library membership number with MAN. A bit of a pita. I'll check out Wigan libraries, which as you say isn't too far away. Malleus Fatuorum 17:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

So how do we start this list? Is it for people from all wikis (I'm assuming yes)? If so, how do we fairly publicize that we're compiling a list so that everyone gets to see it around the same time? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 17:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to butt in, yes, it would be great if we could make sure there's visibility past the English Wikipedia community (e.g. through the wikipedia-l mailing list). I think it's fine if any process built for applying for access lives on en.wp, given that it's an English language reference resource.--Eloquence* 20:40, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

How about something like this posted either on Wikipedia:Credo accounts in a new section, or on Wikipedia:Credo accounts 2? And then we post about it on the English mailing list, Foundation mailing list, village pump, WT:FAC, and WT:GA. Do we need something on Meta too? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 21:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That looks good; I would note that I'll ultimately need people's e-mail address. If you give me a list of accepted usernames, I can get someone to fire a query for me on the user accounts, provided that they have the e-mail address set and verified in their preferences.--Eloquence* 21:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

We could ask people to add their email addresses when they request an account, unless they've added one to their preferences.

The other thing we need to do is decide when to open the requests. If we post it, then immediately allow people to sign up, then all of us would have an unfair advantage. So we need to be able to let people know in advance that we're accepting names from a certain date and time. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 21:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem is, that whatever that time is going to be, wikipedians in a certain geographical region would have an advantage. BTW, I'd still be interested in an account. bamse (talk) 23:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

• the whole idea of "first 100" is kinda sorta... OK I'm trying to be Ling.Nut.Nice, so I won't use the adjective I would've used in days of yore. Let's say it's problematic, and call that an understatement for the ages. • Ling.Nut 02:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I will throw in my two cents - since I already offered an observation. I think we should try an advertise what the Credo accounts are good for before we start offering them out. By doing so it may discourage people who have no use for them from applying. Here's my opinion:

• The accounts are only marginally useful for content building - the core goal of *most* wikipedians
  • There is not significant or comprehensive information on many topics
  • Most information is encyclopedic in nature, and to a degree tertiary and thus not always appropriate per WP:RS
• The abundant number of topics does make it a useful tool for fact checking and would be useful to users who:
  • Review content, in places like WP:PR, WP:FAC, and WP:GAN
  • Patrol new pages or changes, like at WP:NPP, who check new content for accuracy and notability
  • Editors who write short articles for WP:DYK might find enough information on a topic to write a starter article.
  • Editors who work at the WP:RD might have use for such a tool to assist in research
• The accounts can be useful for locating better sources. Most information available for Credo is well footnoted and can be used to find more detailed information on a topic.
• The accounts could be useful for editors who have no access to public libraries, and therefore only a very limited access to source materials.

Maybe that list could be refined a bit. I am solidly of the opinion that this tool has a narrow area of usefulness, and content building is not part of that area. I know alot of editors work in many areas. But there are also alot of editors who don't work in alot of areas and would have no use for this tool at all. :) —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 17:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC)