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Archiving
Noticed the page was getting longer that perfered and archived it. Feel free to restore anything needed. I kept FFA and "Things to do until Saturday". Alvin6226 talk 02:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- I wonder if it's time for another archive? It's been only a little over two weeks, and already this page is at 180 kilobytes long; The reason I'm bringing this up instead of waiting silently is that my dial-up-connection browser is actually struggling to fully open up this page. And to be frank, some sections are really cluttered. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 06:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Future Focus Articles
Next Pokémon Creature Article
- Something inside me really wants to see Plusle become a good article. Perhaps it's the . (But it would be alanis if Minun became good first.) --Damian Yerrick (☎) 22:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- They should both be good articles, it would be strange if one was good and the other wasn't. Minun (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, just point out any problems with this article and I'll help you fix them. Minun (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Rapidash needs a little love. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, just point out any problems in this article Minun (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Merge "Appearance" with intro, cleanup the videogames, prose TCG, expand anime. If you check Eevee, a Rapidash appears in the same manga chapter, it has the same plot has the Rapidash race. Yeah, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've managed to do most of it, but there was a few parts I had trobule with. I hope my editing helps. Minun (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Merge "Appearance" with intro, cleanup the videogames, prose TCG, expand anime. If you check Eevee, a Rapidash appears in the same manga chapter, it has the same plot has the Rapidash race. Yeah, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Linoone: Yikes, what the hell happened here!? Better check it out, folks. Erik the Appreciator 19:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- It's certainly interesting vandalism... Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Reverted, it's been sitting like that a week. The IP's been doing it to various articles, but he got reverted. But never warned. He is now the owner of a final warning, since I'm not in the charitable mood. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Zigzagoon - has good anime, pokédex and videogames, lacks TCG or manga. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know much about the manga, but I would be happy to help with the TCG section. Minun (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, just point out any problems again. Minun (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've noticed that page had a rather small amount of content. I'm improving parts of it, but I need help on the sections focusing on Paras' role in the Pokémon things I'm not into(the anime, manga, and card game) --RandomOrca2 04:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, I think that should be our next focused article Minun (マイナン) 10:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- It lacks everything, should be our next focused article Minun (マイナン) 15:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Skiploom
- Jumpluff
- Sunflora! Poor Sunflora! This article needs lots of work! I think I can do something about it, though. --Cherimu is beautiful! 19:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Aipom
- Wooper Highway Batman! 19:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Charmeleon still marked as a stub —M inun Spiderman 19:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Croconaw
- Bayleef Highway Batman! 19:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Slowpoke: I'll get to rewriting this overly sectionalized mess sometime... Erik the Appreciator 18:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)- Seel
- Krabby And these too. Erik the Appreciator 18:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say Skitty. Holy crap, it doesn't conform at all. XD Toastypk 20:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- Flaaffy could really use some attention. If nobody else is particularly gonzo over it, I may revise and extend it in the next couple of days! --Chuchunezumi 07:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- I went ahead and reformatted the sections to meet the PCP standards. --Chuchunezumi 08:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Vulpix
- Ninetails Highway Return to Oz... 13:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Pineco is horrible! Literally horrible! Can we expand on this stub of a stub? TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 02:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- how's that, i did everything i could in reference to the game and anime, i don't much else about the rest of it, i'll see if i can add some media related stuff Zappernapper 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Chikorita with all the focus on starters i would think people would have mentioned this earlier. -Zappernapper 18:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Haunter lacks a "In the video games" section.
- fixed the sections, but still needs a lot of rewriting. -Zappernapper 17:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Kadabra Umm.. External links not there.. Uri Geller..? Alvin6226 talk 05:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Gengar needs a manga section, but i don't read them, can anyone else put something in? -Zappernapper 17:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Natu: Enough of a stub that it might have used the old Pokemon Adoption Center treatment twice. I'll give this my style of treatment shortly. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 19:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- Natu has been pampered, more or less. Now someone should insert that Pokestart template to the top of the page. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 20:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Gyarados: The video games section gives me a headache! Uses many abbreviated obscure terms (to beginners) to describe game strategy in detail. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Silcoon and Cascoon: Hee hee! I gave these two poor articles the titanic rewrites they needed. If there's anything missing, I wouldn't know. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 22:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yanma Has almost no references, stubbish sections, and dind't even have pokestart until I added it...--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 19:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Update
Did an update of all the noted articles, so people can fix what's wrong without having to ask what's wrong. If you complete something, just strike it out. Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Blaziken - Rewrite characteristics, cover May's Torchic-->Combusken-->
Blaziken(all the info can be found in the prior articles). Copy video games prose from Combusken. Referencing all round, Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)- This would actually complete an evolutionary family, our second that we could complete (the third is the Mudkip family with Swampert; the first is Bulbasaur's with the upgrade of Venusaur.) myTrackerTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 23:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- Houndoom - remove original research on design, merge controversy and appearance into the introduction. Split the intro into 3 paragraphs. Remove POV game guide remarks from video games, describe its availbity, change the Biology section title. Expand anime section, add generic headers for TCG and anime. Change the TCG to prose, check Serebii for manga appearances. Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Venonat -
implement {{Pokestart}}, expand on Koga's (or his assisstant's) Venonant, and expand greatly on Tracey's. Again, check the manga for Venonat, and rewrite the TCG section. Remove original research from Biology, and add better descriptions of Venonat locations. Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Treecko - Write content on Ash's Treecko-->Grovyle-->Sceptile, and Wally's Treecko-->Grovyle. Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Shuppet -
Implement {{Pokestart}}, move appearance description to intro, fix the name etymology. Add the sectional headers for anime and TCG, check Ivysaur for them. Check manga for Shuppet appearances, and check Psypoke's Deck Dex for TCG appearances.Reference the Pokédex, the locations bit at Psypokes,and check Max (Pokémon) for more about its anime appearance.Highway Daytrippers 07:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Next Miscellaneous Article
I reommend choosing Max as the next focus article. Thoughts? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC) Other Mishaps? This article might need some help. Alvin6226 02:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- By the way, that's Max (Pokémon) (obviously). And come to think of it, even Poké Ball and Team Aqua and Team Magma need help. Thoughts?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Max (Pokémon) needs the borrowed Pokémon section removed, and lots more cleanup, so it would thus be good as a miscellena next article--XenoNeon (converse) 11:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Make sure the ugly table of Pokémon is replaced with prose! Please! - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- The Pokémon character articls are now being taken care of by WP:PAC2, so we should be taking a non-character article. How about Poké Ball or Glitch City?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think that Pokemon Ranger should be our next focus.--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs) 23:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Let's not do a speculative article if we can at all avoid it. Poké Ball needs a lot of love, Max (Pokémon) needs work despite the presence of WP:PAC2. and all of the glitches still need to be collapsed into a single article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- WHAT?! If the glitches are merged, we need to transwiki the original articles somewhere else. Okay, so they don't belong in an encyclopedia, but they're very informative for people who want to exploit the glitches. And they're much better than their Bulbapedia counterparts. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- Let's not do a speculative article if we can at all avoid it. Poké Ball needs a lot of love, Max (Pokémon) needs work despite the presence of WP:PAC2. and all of the glitches still need to be collapsed into a single article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Even Pokémon trainer needs a lot of work. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 15:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC) The aforementioned article just needs some heavyhanded deletion. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Right, lets just all point out all the problems with the article, this way we can find out which is most important, and we can help fix the article. Minun (talk) 17:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- was anyone even aware of this scary thing? i'm not even sure it really deserves it's own page. I'm tempted to speedy delete it unless someone out there thinks they can turn it into something resebling an article. Zappernapper 07:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Pokémon (anime)-- PRIORITY!!! Man, this sucks. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 07:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Shiny Pokémon. C'mon people! You can do better than this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.71.19 (talk • contribs)
- Tohjo Falls? What the heck?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.71.19 (talk • contribs)
- I was busy doing this brand-new dab, and as a result, found Petalburg Woods needed help: copy editing, WP:RS, and maybe accordance to WP:PAC/S? TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 22:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Another couple broken stubs: Shoal Cave is devoid of content TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 05:36, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Pokémon move looks just awful.
- Not sure if this is the right place to announce this, but I went through all 60+ Pokemon creatures that appeared in Pokemon Snap and inserted relevant info for each one. I'm sure that was a job that had to be done sooner or later. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 23:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Things to do until Saturday
- Pokémon is a disorganized, bloated mess. Still. It may be a good idea to follow the German WP's lead in structure.
- Pokémon (video games) is about half bulleted lists by weight. It needs a massive rewrite and decrufting.
- Pokémon (anime) is three-quarters bulleted lists by weight, and is entirely lacking in useful structure. It's one of the most influential anime series of the 1990s and this is all we can do for it?
- Pokémon The Electric Tale of Pikachu! and Pokémon Adventures are little better than stubs. I know we have some fans of at least the latter, reading the Chuang Yi localization; can't we do better than this?
- Category:Pokémon images is full of unsourced and orphaned images. Source the images you can, tag the ones you can't with {{subst:nsd}}
- The Pokémon episode articles are disgraceful. The trivia, goofs, alternate names, and first appearances all need to go immediately and the plot summaries need to be summaries and not novelizations; eventually, these probably need to be boiled down and merged to a list.
- The members of the Elite Four still aren't merged.
- Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire is probably a couple hours with of prose polishing and source hunting away from good article status. (C'mon, it's the best-selling GBA game ever.) It'd be nice to have a GA that was a thing that exists in the real world.
- Satoshi Tajiri, Game Freak, Genius Sonority, The Pokémon Company, and Ken Sugimori are stubs. Creatures Inc. is ONE LINE. That's disgraceful.
- Pokémon Trading Card Game is a trainwreck, full of unwikified textdumps, scattered trivia with little context, big ugly bulleted lists, and little info to contextualize, explain, or describe the best-selling CCG for years and years.
- Great work is being done at Poké Ball, but more input and more hands are needed.
There's plenty to do while we wait for verification of reports on Diamond and Pearl, and most of it is more important than writing a stub about Chimecho's new evolution, wouldn't you say? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Judging by this list it shows that Lucario and Manaphy both have pre-evolutions. Showing that they are not Legendary. Should we make note of this? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 21:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, I guess, when we have a source better than a filb.de forum post. I'm just saying that there are both critical cleanup tasks to do and important topics that are sorely neglected, all of which are more important than rushing to cover the very latest factoids from the very latest game. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- We might wait on that until Serebii finishes his overview of the games. Diamond and Pearl may be violating some of the traditions followed in past games. Seeing as, Dialga and Palkia are not at the end of the Pokédex like the previous legends were, it is very possible that Manaphy and Lucario are the first legends that have previous forms. The Hybrid 22:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC) Also, they have their own movies that do put them across as legends.
Cleaning up the episode articles
Speaking of which, I'm removing the trivia, alternate-language names, dub edits, goofs, continuity gaffes, extra images, and any other junk from the episode articles. This is leaving a trail of plot-summary-only stubs in my wake, unfortunately, but these articles are awful, and need some help immediately.
The next step is to see about structure for merging them. Anyone want to help? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the only articles that should be merged rather than deleted are the episodes where Ash gets a badge, one of the characters gets or evolves a Pokémon, or a character (re)joins or leaves the group. Maybe the banned episodes should stay. Of course, all of this needs to be discussed before any moves are made.
- It would probably be best to merge them by season, seeing as a general article would be huge. Another possibility is to separate them by the major event(s) of the story, if the majority agrees with me about what should be merged. A list of banned episodes already exists with synopses, so that could work as a template, and save the trouble of creating that article with completely new summaries of the episodes. The Hybrid 23:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Seasons are probably best, yeah. Just so you know, I'm planning on merging any article without any source of third-party commentary in reliable sources, regardless of how important it is in the anime. This neatly sidesteps arguing about whose favorite episode does or doesn't get merged; it's either important in the real world or it goes in the list. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- I completely understand. In my opinion, no episodes should get their own articles, and only the notable ones should be on the list. Aside from this, it may be too tempting for anons who have a lot of time on their hands to summarize every single episode on the lists, and if we have the Mantine episode summarized on the list(my favorite :), they have a good point in asking why the Puzzle of Pokémopolis and Pinkan island episodes cannot be as well. (If you look around you'll see I have had bad experiences with both of those places; I still have seizures from time-to-time.) A little bit of confrontation here may save a many confrontations in the future. The Hybrid 05:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- there's absolutely no reason we can't list a meaningless episode, giving it's name, japanese translation and number (air date if possible) like that which is already found at List of Pokémon episodes. Hybrid, feel free to read the topic #Rhapsody in_drew_deletion was not good.... to see the the previous, lengthy, discussion on this. AMIB, that sounds like a fine solution - so that will of course include articles of the banned, edited sort? Does Pokémon, I choose you! remain important enough to keep it's own page? If anything, even if there was no big buzz about that episode, it was the one which started the poke-anime craze. oh and does ne1 know y on the List they have the numbering for american episodes starting at 2?-Zappernapper 14:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- This is due to English version numbering being the order in which the episodes were aired on the WB and later CN. Later reruns in English restored the proper order. This was stated in the first sentence of the article. kelvSYC 20:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
"Banned" articles are probably best off in the banned articles list, since this list will probably be a lot terser. Pokémon, I Choose You! gets its own article if and only if someone can say something about it that isn't plot summary. It wasn't even the first episode aired in English. (That was Pokémon Emergency, I believe.) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to have to play devil's advocate here. Series that are shorter such as Futurama or Family Guy (or even more convincingly, Xiaolin Showdown) have articles for individual episodes. It can be argued that Pokémon is more notable than any of these series, and so Pokémon deserves to have individual articles for episodes. Having said that, some of these concerns are valid - we don't really need to list all the Pokémon that appear in an episode - in Entei at Your Own Risk, the entirety of Ash's team is featured, but four out of the six team members didn't do anything other help Ash escape from being trapped in a container by ramming the door (and in the end, Noctowl didn't help them escape), and even still, Phanpy was only featured in the following scene (where it battled and was subdued). We don't need goofs in continuity due to the series being highly episodic. I've always had an aversion to trivia sections, but other useful stuff such as notable content edits could still remain in the article - even Pokémon Heroes had a substantial content edit. The problem with what I see is that Pokémon is a long series, and to create 500-odd articles will take a long time. While merging episodes may be a good idea in the short term, we'd eventually have to undo them as the series becomes longer. I suggest that important plot-moving episodes should be done first, then the disconnected episodic ones later. In particular, we should have summaries of, these episodes as soon as we can, due to their character-defining moments:
- Go West, Young Meowth
- Pallet Party Panic
- Gotta Catch Ya Later
- A Poached Ego
- All Things Bright and Beautifly
Articles on invididual episodes regardless of series are by definition not of a very high quality (compare any existing article with, say, the article on the latest episode of The Simpsons), unless it was the pilot, finale, jumping the shark moment, important plot point, or it created massive public attention, or anything of the like. It's the same argument as to why we keep articles on individual Pokémon - we just simply can't get it to anything remotely feature article quality (Bulbasaur notwithstanding), but just as each Pokémon is sufficiently notable within the context of something that is itself notable, articles on individual episodes are sufficiently notable within the context of something that is itself notable (recall that Pokémon is notable also for its lengthy run as well as its association with, well, Pokémon).
kelvSYC 20:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, the Simpsons and Futurama and Family Guy and Xiaolin Showdown have individual episode articles.
Now, try reading one. Here's one: North by North Quahog. Here's another example: Battle Pyramid! VS Regirock! when an anon was reverting my cleanup.
That's why I think we should steer away from that. They're useless piles of ever-more-detailed plot summary and lame trivial cruft. Plus, you're proposing a standard that is going to lead to never-ending arguments about what episodes are "character-defining," since any episode that features someone's favorite minor character is by definition going to be character-defining for that minor character.
We can't even keep all of the Pokémon articles clear of crap, despite a project having existed for years focusing on little more than just that. It's good work and it should continue, but getting in fights over hundreds and hundreds of episode articles (and for every episode there's a fan willing to fight for it and say it's important or character-defining or whatever standard we set) is a hopeless boondoggle. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that the dub edits, other languages, and extra images should go away. But the trivia and goofs should be okay. Just need to be cleanedup.--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 21:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
The trivia and goof emphatically aren't okay. They're random things spotted in the episodes by fans, the lamest kind of original research. If a fact is truly important, mention it in the brief plot summary. If it's not important, why are we including it in an encyclopedic overview? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) :*laughs at "boondoggle"* i wonder who would say that Lights, Camerupt, Action! would be "character-defining".... neways, i think a point needs to be made that at least shows of series like Simpsons, Family Guy, and Soth Park consistently deal with issues that can be discussed in an encyclopedic fashion, additionally these shows tend to maintain a strong continuity so discussing the views they express and continuity errors makes sense. Pokemon cannot make this case no matter how hard anyone tries, especially of the later episodes. Futurama's kind of iffy due to the fact you could discuss the way each episode portrays a futuristic world a la Star Trek - making commentary on current affairs affecting the future (giant garbage ball threatens to decimate Earth), but they're pushing it, and Xiolin Showdown should not have a complete episode guide - we shouldn't follow bad examples. I still see no reason why we can't maintain simple tabular lists that summarize the stories like in my sandbox. btw i updated the episode page here for those of you who've already seen it. AMIB - the first episode's cultural impact is that it was the first episode, it was the first one i saw and was what got me interested in the first place - this is true of several other people i'm sure, and what began the fad (of course few fads i know of are listed in two seperate decades...). KelvSYC, there have actually been three (?) FA that were on individual pokemon, Pikachu and Torchic, not just Bulbasaur. The reason each species was granted its own article was because it was decided that encyclopedic content could be written on each one see WP:POKEMON for the nitty gritty - encyclopedic content cannot be written on each episode of pokemon, they're too episodic like AMIB said for conitunuity errors to be anything other than cruft, and very few of them deal with any cultural issues (most notably there are episodes that deal with environmental issues, and child-rearing options). To me the only ones worth giving special treatment to are those that were banned, if only to discuss the reasons they were banned in detail, and give references. For example with the Jynx episode, we could discuss who specifically had an issue with it, and what they said in any press releases. -Zappernapper 21:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- ummm.... btw, i don't think merging them will be an issue, there are already pages at List of Pokémon Original Series episodes, List of Pokémon Advanced Generation episodes, and even List of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl episodes. It looks like most of what we've been watning done has already been there, just a pain to try and find :) -Zappernapper 21:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- L,C,A! is character defining for...uh...Ask's Torkoal! (Personally, I don't think Family Guy or Futurama should have episode guides on Wikipedia either, but that's neither here nor there.) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- i'm inclined to agree... they push it a little, save for the fact that family guy consistently tends to do something controversial. we need to start WikiTV.org for these people. -Zappernapper 22:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
- Can we get back to Pokémon, please.
- To address the question that was posted after I logged off, the reason we cannot summarize every single episode is because the articles on the seasons would be HUGE, there is almost no way to organize those into good-sized articles.
- The first episode is notable because it is the first episode.
- We cannot have articles on every individual episode because Pokémon is far more prone to vandalism than any of the series mentioned; try to keep those 450+ articles free of vandalism with our little group of 50 people. That is why we don't have individual articles for every episode, we have a hard enogh time as it is.
- If we follow my plan, which it sounds like we aren't, and it is a one paragraph summary for each notable episode, then the articles will still be rather large, but they will be managable. See first bullet-point for why to keep non-notable episodes out, aside from the non-notability.
- I have no problem with listing episode TITLES; it is summarizing them that creates a problem. The Hybrid 00:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Notable doesn't mean important. It means "sufficiently noteworthy to have independent commentary in reliable sources", and "Pokémon, I Choose You!" just doesn't cut it, since the only commentary is on fansites (not exactly reliable) or plot synoses (not exactly useful commentary). If every episode has two-three sentences, we could easily split things up by season. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- That makes my point for me. If the first episode of one of the most influential animes in American history isn't notable enough to summarize in an article, then why should other episodes less profound than that one be summarized as well. I did the math, if we have three sentences for every episode, plus another two line for episode dividers, that comes out to 475 lines in the article on the first season, plus the intro and the other sections. When you edit this page next, hit enter 475 times, that is a lot of space (I did it). Besides, are ANY Pokémon episodes outlined on non-fansites? By that logic, no episode is notable, but some are important. We are finally doing what has needed to be done for a long time; lets get it right. Rather than having three sentence summaries for every episode that maybe one person cares about as well as the important ones, lets have full, well written, eight sentence paragraphs for the important episodes and let Serebii handle the unimportant episodes. The Hybrid 01:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Two-three sentences = one-two lines. It really won't be as bad as it seems, really. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- ...waitaminute, I just did that math. I was thinking US airing seasons, ~13 or so episodes, not Japanese-style series, which is where you're getting your 95 episodes an article. No, we will not be having synopses for 100 or so episodes in each article, that won't work. I was thinking of breaking it up smaller than that. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Pikachu, I Choose You could also use its own article, as it is the first episode of the series. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 01:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- And what do you plan to put in that article? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- the name of the episode is actually Pokémon, I Choose You, but that's a comon misconception. and other sites exist which give synopsis of episodes, such as tv.com - but that's not the point. so you want something to put in a "Reaction" section? how about reviews from Amazon? lol it was put onto a DVD you know.... i'm done for today, will be logging on tomorrow.... g'night. -Zappernapper 01:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
We have an article at Pokémon, I Choose You!. It's terrible.
There's just nothing to say about it. There's no critical reception, no controversy, just plain nothing in reliable sources. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ach!2 edit conflicts... Anyways, I think that we should just merge them by season, and have a "Main article" thingy for the major episodes (badge, evolution of Pokémon, or a character (re)joins or leaves the group), the kind of episodes that A Man in Black said. Alvin6226 talk 01:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, no, no! I don't want articles for those. Absolutely, positively, unequivically not. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Oh. I guess that is my opinion then. But am also fine with the merge by seasons without seperate major episode articles, because my way would be a lot more work.. Alvin6226 talk 02:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ach!2 edit conflicts... Anyways, I think that we should just merge them by season, and have a "Main article" thingy for the major episodes (badge, evolution of Pokémon, or a character (re)joins or leaves the group), the kind of episodes that A Man in Black said. Alvin6226 talk 01:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Three questions will the images be back on the episode lists or will they be deleted, or will they be on the separate episode page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugigx60 (talk • contribs)
- Probably deleted, and there won't be separate episode pages. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
"::::No, no, no! I don't want articles for those. Absolutely, positively, unequivically not. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)"
- How says that you have the authority on what we can and can not do (pages).. We as contributors can do want we want (expect vandalizing) so if we want to do episode pages that have the (badge, evolution of Pokémon, or a character (re)joins or leaves the group).
Hey if you'll want to work on (badge, evolution of Pokémon, or a character (re)joins or leaves the group) pages you can. (72.177.68.38 13:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC))
- Please keep the images, all (most)of the other anime episode lists have images:
- List_of_Digimon_Adventure_episodes
- List_of_Digimon_Adventure_02_episodes
- List_of_Digimon_Tamers_episodes
- List_of_Digimon_Frontier_episodes
- List_of_Fullmetal_Alchemist_episodes
- List_of_Gundam_Wing_Episodes
- List_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell:_Stand_Alone_Complex_episodes
- List_of_YuYu_Hakusho_episodes
- List_of_Serial_Experiments_Lain_episodes
- List_of_InuYasha_episodes List_of_InuYasha_episodes List_of_InuYasha_episodes
- List_of_Ouran_High_School_Host_Club_episodes
- Yu-Gi-Oh%21_media_and_release_information
- Yu-Gi-Oh%21_GX_media_and_release_information
- [1]
- List_of_Simoun_episodes
- List_of_%C3%97%C3%97%C3%97HOLiC_episodes
- List_of_My-Otome_episodes
- List_of_D.N.Angel_episodes
- Clow_Card_Arc:_1-18
- List_of_Air_episodes
So if other animeepisode pages have images, why can't the Pokemon series??
For:
(72.177.68.38 15:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC))
PseudovoteAs much as I detest voting (and none of this "support" and "oppose" header BS), it seems we have a lot of people who'd prefer foo but are happy to accept bar, so we need to either accept or shoot down a proposal. I propose we merge the Pokémon episode articles to list articles that cover between a dozen and two-dozen episodes per article (with structure to be figured out when we figure it out), covering individual episodes in individual articles only when they have sufficient independent coverage in third-party reliable sources. Yea or nay? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
StructureThis is my own idea for what Brandon mentioned about the article names. We could divide the articles by what badge Ash is going for at the time, and in Hoenn, durring the times that it calls for it, May's quest for the ribbons. We should probably divide the longer ones into two parts, like (just off the top of my head with any truth being complete luck) Pokémon Anime: Quest for Earth Badge A; and Pokémon Anime: Quest for Earth Badge B. Some renaming is probably in order, but that is my opinion, let me know how you all feel. The Hybrid 05:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC) I'd really rather use a real-world structure, rather than one based on the fictional events. The English-language broadcast seasons are an idea, if it's something we can figure out somehow (and if it was indeed a usual length; new episodes may have been running out of season). I really, really, really don't want to cut titles from whole cloth, to the point where I'd prefer Pokémon anime episodes 21-40. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
So, let's get cracking. Does anyone know when the NA broadcast seasons begin and end? It's abritrary, but it's something. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC) Seeing it from that point of view I have to agree, but we should let some other people who are asleep right now comment and post ideas seeing as this is a major change. Another thought, what are the AFD risks for these articles? The Hybrid 05:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The last episode to air in the US was #428 WEEKEND WARRIOR. The Hybrid
Serebii is useless; it's run by "Don't acknowledge the dub at all" sorts, unfortunately. It may be that much of our work is done for us: List of Pokémon Original Series episodes and the following articles already have about 80% of the work done. We need to ditch all the needless, load-slowing fair-use images, do brief synopses for each ep, and split it by season, but this should save a lot of work. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC) Fair enough, I can tell from Serebii's lists when they end, but if the work is done, great! The Hybrid Sorry I can't stick around, but I must go to bed. I'll return tomorrow. The Hybrid 06:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to dive in using the English-language seasons, as they were used for the first-run in most English-speaking countries (US, Canada, UK, and AU I know for certain). If we want to restructure, it won't be a lot of work. I'm going to make {{Pokepisode}}, a template for the list entries, then start restructuring the lists Ragnaroknike (talk · contribs) made. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC) Alright. It sounds like some things have already been made, could you please link to them so I can see what has already been done, please? The Hybrid 01:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Actual progress
And now the AG list is done (or will be before you see this, probably). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC) I'm going to be removing the theme music/intro/ending info from the big lists, since it's already at Pokémon theme songs. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
List of Pokémon special episodes is completely done, as far as splitting goes. If anyone wants to get started writing an intro, writing plot summaries, or merging episodes, that's one article that doesn't need any more structural work. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Heads up: if it's in Category:Lists of Pokémon episodes, it's time to start working on the plot summary and merging standalone episode articles into it. I'm starting on the splits now. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
We've got a bit gap in List of Pokémon Original Series episodes; a chunk of Johto Journeys and all of Johto League Champions is missing. I'm skipping ahead to Master Quest until the gap is filled in. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC) Alright, I'll fill in the gap first, and then I'll take care of Master Quest. I may not respond right away anymore, I have to pay Serebii a visit, or ten. The Hybrid 05:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Split is doneAll of the episode lists are more or less split. Since Hybrid went to bed and the original series list was incomplete, I used the somewhat less in-depth table from List of Pokémon episodes as a placeholder. What's left to do:
There's a lot of work to do, but completion is within our grasp. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Awful page-width-breaking table removed Why do we need lists for the Japanese series? They're redundant with the other lists, and too huge to easily work with, to boot. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Images on episode pagesApparently the removal of images from the episode list pages has stirred up a swarm of hornets. Let's talk about it some more, then. These huge lists just can't reasonably have images. This is the most egregious possible abuse of the fair-use criteria, leading to hundreds and hundreds of images being used for "identification," most of them random frames taken from the episode. (For example, the image for Pokémon Emergency, which has lots of unique scenes, was just a random picture of Meowth that could have come from any episode.) The case has been made that images are useful for identification. They can be, but a free alternative does exist for identification: brief encyclopedic prose describing the episode. The case has been made that other lists, some of them featured, use images. This is no excuse; those lists should probably also abolish images, but this discussion isn't about those lists. The edit warring on this subject has mostly been carried out by one user using several socks, but several more-reasonable editors have expressed concerns, so I wanted to address them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Pokestart appliedAron, Lairon, Aggron, and Meditite now have proper introductions with Template:Pokestart. This is something we need to work on. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 22:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC) Image removalOrphanBot is removing our main images again. Shuckle is the most recent victim. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
It is a bot, after all. Those images are all unsourced. Source them or they need to be deleted. They really need fair-use rationales, as well. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
We have a template for this, {{pli}}! Just blank the page, add {{subst:pli|Name of Pokémon|National dex number}}, save, and voila! Highway Daytrippers 11:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Use-mention distinctionIn the introduction, when we explain what words a Pokémon's name is made of, we ought to put those words in "quotation marks", or preferably, italics. See the article on use-mention distinction for more explantion. Basically, since we're referring to the word itself and not their meanings, we're supposed to italicize them. I've just seen this used incorrectly in a few Pokémon articles. --Brandon Dilbeck 22:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Eevee's evolutionsIs there a source for the names of Eevee's new evolutions? They are currently named Leafia and Glacia. I know that "Glacia" won't work because it's the name of an Elite Four member of Hoenn (of course, it's not her Japanese name). I'm very skepticle, and the fact remains that there are already articles created with these names. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
You don't need to merge the histories; doing that would SUCK and it's totally unnecessary. Just copy the content into the list and redirect the original article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm also concerned about the reliability of these names as well. They have been disseminated throughout the internet already but no one has actually posted up an in-game screencap of the pokédex entry or even a battle scene in which the name is clearly visible. Until they have been confirmed, I'm still quite wary on the use of the names. Also, I'm not too certain if speculative US/English names and evolution pathways should be included on the newly created pages. I've posted a post in the discussion on the Leafia article to bring this to attention of the contributing members. -- DarkS Umbreon 14:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I spent today extracting the image of グレイシア from Coronis' camera image of the Pokédex entry; enlarged and cleaned it up as well as re-did the colouring. I've updated the Glacia article to include my pic. Let's see it spread throughout the net now. :D -- DarkS Umbreon 09:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Because Coronis took the image, he has ownership, as well as Nintendo, and Ken Sugimori. It's like saying that what you've done to the image is certified by Coronis, and the others, when it isn't. HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 18:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC) When does it stop being "Good Faith"?This person AnnabelleHickman (talk · contribs) is constantly putting false information on various Pokémon articles. Being misinformed is one thing, but it seems like this user is purposely trying to sabotage the hard work of everyone involved with this WikiProject. I don't know if there is really anything that can be done, but I thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention here. So far, I think every Pokémon edit the user created has been reverted. Even after being warned on their talk page. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 14:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Pokénum template.The template still says 488 but there are 493 Pokémon in the National list. Should this be changed? I think that only Admins can do it, though. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 00:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Pokemon episode pagesLike most shows on wikipedia there are seprete pages for the episodes. So I think its stupid. So what do you think of all the links I provided... Are all they fancruft to????
Emphatically so. Those individual episode articles are terrible. In the rare occasion where there's so much that has been said in reliable sources about an episode (Abyssinia, Henry is a good example) we can surely have an article, but that's not true for all of the Pokémon episodes save possibly "Electric Soldier Porygon", which is already covered at length in two different articles (Banned episodes of Pokémon and Criticism of Pokémon). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC) I see that you are merging the Pokemon episodes which sounds like a great idea, but may we keep some episodes for example the finale episodes for example End of a Journey, Yet Beginning of a Journey and the first episodes Pokémon, I Choose You!, Begin! From Futaba Town to Masago Town!!, Get the Show on the Road.
You're absolutely right, those series do have articles for individual episodes. And each of those articles sucks donkey butt. I don't think we should be encouraging these crufty, unencyclopedic fanpage episode guides, and, hopefully, this project can set a good example other projects can follow. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC) More merger
Also, I don't really care about the Cerulean Cave merger anymore. The Hybrid Glacia restructureI came up with a plan to restructure the Glacia/Glacia (Pokémon) mess. A new disambiguation page will reside at Glacia, the former's page at the current Elite Four page...the Elite Four member's page will reside at Glacia (Elite Four). We have nowhere else to go with this. Before: (article name/content/new content) Glacia/PKMN/dab Glacia (Pokémon)/E4/PKMN Glacia (Elite Four)/none/E4 This'll require an admin for part of it. When WP:TVS needed to move KUWB to KUCW to match new calls, KUCW needed to move to KMCB first and the redirect had to go. Actually, one of their members (Firsfron) is an admin, so that might have been fixed. The E4 article needs to move first, then the old home of that article will go under CSD G6, then the PKMN article can move and the redirect will be edited to become a dab. --Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 01:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Shin'ou's TTV presents the Improvement CampaignI have found an idea to clean out our disastrous stub city: Category:Pokémon stubs. I will do certain articles, excluding articles that are related to Diamond and Pearl, slated for a merge, deemed unexpandable and need special attention, voice actors for the anime or manga-related articles (those are not considered in the Improvement Campaign), or in any AfD nomination. We start with Crystal (Pokémon). In the queue are Genius Sonority, Ken Sugimori, Monster Brain, Pokemon Trading Figure Game (first needs a special character move), Pokémon breeding, Ruby (Pokémon), Sootopolis City, and Verdanturf Town. We're not aiming for GA, most of these are off-beat articles that don't need to be GA. We just want to get these out of stub country. These are pretty hard articles to improve, but it's a challenge we will fight. This is also an "alternate focus", so our other two foci are not affected. Articles I put in here are off beat and run the gamut from the manga to the games, anime to other media. The start, though, lies not in the starter article, but four into the queue, where I will be moving that article. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 02:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC) Togepi's evolutionary stageIt's been bouncing back and forth recently—is Togepi a Baby or Stage-1 Pokémon? --Brandon Dilbeck 03:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I've hacked {{Pokémon species}} so it won't show the stage field in those Pokémon articles until someone comes up with some sources. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
This sounds like a lot of original research! Is it really our jobs as editors to devise a new system for all Pokémon to be organized by? HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 17:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I've posted in Togepi's talk page that we should put Basic because that's what its playing card says, and it sounds that the playing card game is where we got the idea to list them as "Baby", "Basic", "Stage 1", and "Stage 2". --Brandon Dilbeck 18:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC) Ack, we have this debate occurring in four different places that I know of!! Here, here, here, and somewhat here. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Togepi solutionBehold, then, my final suggestion concerning all this, and I think this is the way that will be supported by a clear consensus: We're able to classify all the other Pokemon properly using the Baby-Basic-Stage1-Stage2 system, but Togepi, Togetic, Togekiss, Riolu, and Lucario are ambiguous cases. To take care of these Pokemon: Just remove the Evolutionary Stage cell from their respective infoboxes the way A Man In Black hacked the Pokemon Infobox a while back. It's not like we're losing a lot of information here; people will still see what each of those Pokemon evolve from and/or to by looking at the other cells. This will kinda remove any edit wars from those articles while keeping all the other Pokemon unscathed and the in-universe card-game classification intact and working for all of them. Doesn't this seem like a simple solution? Thoughts, please. ^_^ Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 19:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
What if we removed the current Stage element from the infoboxes, replacing it with a Pokémon's entire evolutionary line? For instance, Golem's infobox would list Geodude, Graveler, and Golem; this would allow the reader to easily infer that Golem is the third Pokémon in the line. It would also provide immediate links to each of the Pokémon in the evolutionary line. --Brandon Dilbeck 21:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
So, does anyone else have input? -Amarkov babble 01:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
User:Amarkov/wurmple has what you want. -Amarkov babble 02:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It's worth thinking about the more complex evolutions—that's why I chose Wurmple, whose two evolutions continue to evolve. Another icky evolution line is that of Eevee, who can now evolve into one of SEVEN Pokémon. With Amarkov's coding, it would be eight lines long (including Eevee) in order to stay with the pattern of listing each on its own line. Would AMIB's look something like this?
I'm just bringing up some evolution lines worth noting. Does anyone else wish to point out any other odd ones we'd need to consider? --Brandon Dilbeck 04:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC) Wurmple is the most complex case I'm planning on implementing. Eevee is just going to have an override pointing to a section of the article. There's no sense cramming such a weird case into an infobox. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I've tweaked mine so it uses the same parameter names, meaning we can start adding the new parameters in to articles without branched evos. -Amarkov babble 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Meep. *is sorry* -Amarkov babble 04:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC) We still don't know what parameters we need and for what role. Then, we need to figure out non-lame names (my names suck). Then we need to figure out appearance. THEN we need to see if people like this at all. Still a lot of work to do yet. Right now we're still at the template hacking in sandboxes stage. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
So where do we stand on this right now? Do we wish to implement this? --Brandon Dilbeck 03:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC) Electric/Computer Soldier PorygonI thought this would be the right place to say that in the articles Pokémon and especially Banned episodes of Pokémon, the English name of the seizure episode (でんのうせんしポリゴン, Dennō Senshi Porigon) keeps going back and forth between Electric Soldier Porygon and Computer Soldier Porygon. I'm pretty sure we don't need this edit war so can we have some definitive answer to end this once and for all? --WikiSlasher 04:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Electric Soldier Porygon vastly more common than Computer? "Correctness" doesn't trump common usage. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Let me rephrase that, what would be the best thing to do? The Hybrid
WP:MOS-JP is useless, as it handles using Japanese script and Romanization. (We're not naming the article Dennou Senshi Porygon, I think everyone agrees on that.) WP:TV-NC is likewise useless, as it only handles disambiguation. Given that, it just falls to WP:NC#Use common names of persons and things; common trumps "correct". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
OK so am I right in saying that Electric Soldier Porygon is the more common name and Computer Soldier Porygon is the more accurate name? Everyone agrees on this right? --WikiSlasher 08:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
4th Gen RomanizationOk so in the past week, there have been many new articles about the new Pokemon etc. But many of them are not consistant. Ie, some of them have the original Japanese romanization, and others have romanizations people found from different websites that are not "sources" for their "official" romanizations. Can't we just keep the names like they are for now (romanizated through the hepburn method), and then later on rename them as their official romanizations get released?Shaojian 00:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been noticing redundant information.For instance, in Wailord's article, pokedex numbers are listed both in the infobox and the main text. Is there a reason for this, or should I remove it? -Amarkov babble 13:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Image discussionAll users have been asked to participate in a mediation relating to the use images in articles detailing episodes of the Pokémon anime. If you wish to input into discussion, you can do so here, all help is welcomed towards a positive resolution. Cheers, Highway Daytrippers 21:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
STABIs it standard for the abbreviation to be used in Pokémon articles? I saw it in Milotic and mistook it for some slang term. I think that "same type attack bonus" should be written out, as to be more easily understood by a general audience. --Gray PorpoisePhocoenidae, not Delphinidae 19:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
*rolls eyes*Can an admin move Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (DS) back to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, someone moved to "avoid confusion with the bootleg. Personally, I believe that a note that said - "For the bootleg game, Pokémon Diamond, see Telefang." I see no point in moving the entire article since there never was a bootleg Pearl. Thoughts? HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 07:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
The Portal:Pokémon selected article has been updated, you can suggest new articles, here. HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 19:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Me. HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 16:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
VandalsJust a heads up; Nidorina page has been vandalised, I'd revert but I'd probably cause the site to explode (haven't reverted before >.<) RBlowes 07:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I've merged the Kanto, Johto and Hoenn gym leaders, so can someone delete these templates?
Cheers, HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 08:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Header names and levelsIn my view, the "in the" parts of the headers on Pokémon articles are pretty redundant. They're also not very descriptive. What they want to say is "Function/Role/Importance/Mention in the", but that's too long. So, I have, as an experiment, and to show what it looks like, and being bold, have changed this problem in "Bulbasaur". Can we please discuss this here, befre just reverting back. It may also be worth noting that others said the same on the Bulbasaur FAC, but were ignored. Also, I think Pokémon articles are the only ones with these redundant prepositions. Regards, —Celestianpower háblame 16:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Pocket Monster stages.Because it couldn't be confirmed whether Togepi was a Baby or Basic Pokémon, it was removed from its infobox. However, are we going to do the same for the rest of them? And if so, what of the List of Pokémon by Stage, and these new categories that seemed to have sprung up. "Category:Baby Pokémon", "Category:Basic Pokémon", "Category:Stage 1 Pokémon" and "Category:Stage 2 Pokémon"? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 20:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Trouble with MistyIn the Misty article, for the past few days, one or two people with the IP addresses 134.139.21.29 (t c), 134.139.24.226 (t c), and 4.232.171.39 (t c) have repeatedly been adding to the article that Misty is athiest, going by the "evidence" that she doesn't appear to practice any religion in the anime. I'm looking for some help here. --Brandon Dilbeck 23:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I hesitate to call it vandalism, but it's certainly nonsense. That said, there's a half-dozen edits over the course of a few days, there, and it's long been on my watchlist. If the anon tries to make an edit war of it, I'll sprotect, but for now normal editing can deal with it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Reliable 4th gen sourcePokebeach.com and it's resident Diamond and Pearl Pokedex seems to be a great source which we can use to fill up the new Pokemon creature articles with information about statistical strength (not actual statistics, instead saying that this Pokemon has a lot of special attack and such) and Pokedex flavor text (which can be rewritten into more standard prose, of course). They were able to extract all this information from the ROM, so it's most likely that this qualifies as a verifiable source which can be used to improve the pages. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 16:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC) Serebii also has one too. ([4]) Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 18:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC) Yeah, that makes two sites. People have probably looked at these already and used them to fill up the pages, but it seems like a good idea to make it a bit of an official announcement right here. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 22:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't trust those for any evaluative claims, just for things that are directly copied verbatim from the games. Game stats and Pokédex descriptions? Sure. Translations and info on (for example) evolution or how to get certain Pokémon? They've been wrong before, and they're not exactly reviewed by anyone but the author for errors. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Some WikiProjects heavily depend on primary sources, and some don't. We happen to heavily depend on primary sources (e.g. the games themselves). Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 22:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Shin'ou towns/citiesI'm going to start using some Bulbapedia information to create stubs for some of the towns and cities in Shin'ou we don't have. We have it all up to Kurogane, but from there, the game locations template shows red. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 22:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Pokemon and descriptionSomeone has started up an article about Pokemon and description. I was originally going to just nominate if for deletion, but since I don't really know much about the topic, I thought I'd check here and let you decide how to handle it. --Alan Au 22:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Please change namePlease change the name to Pokemon WikiProject, or something similar, as PCP is a drug.--Atomic-Super-SuitWhat Have I Done?! 22:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Em... if you want people to change names, then I'd start with the WP:COC shortcut first. ;) HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 18:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Language.Blastoise in language <-- Is this for real?? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 03:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
It's a Pokemon related proposed deletion, so I figured it couldn't hurt to note it here. Whose stupid idea was that article? -Amarkov babble 04:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Too Much JargonI've been going through many of the Pokémon pages, and I find way, way too much jargon for an encyclopedia! Things like "sweeper", "tank", "HP Grass" and more are just littering the "In the games" sections. This is not acceptable to me. I do very well know the meanings of these, but others may not. Considering that sweeper can mean a DEFENSIVE position in football (soccer) it might really confuse people. We can only do one of two things: Reword every Pokémon page to avoid saying these things (replace "sweeper" with something like "swift physical attacker" or such, and tank with "defensive Pokémon"...) or add wikilinks to their usage in the Pokémon series. I don't really see the point of having a "List of terms commonly used by the online Pokémon community" for reference, so can we all work together to get those jargon words out of here? Is anyone else bothered by it the way I am? -JC 08:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Pokemon articles up for deletion
Let's look at stupid articles.There was Fire Blast from before, and now I found this article on Skarmbliss. This is soo stupid. -Amarkov babble 13:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
That's fine. I really hope there are no others this bad. -Amarkov babble 21:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC) With us finding Fire Blast and Skarmbliss articles within a day's time, I'm thinking we should put an extra section on top of this page where people report stupid pages, right below the section where we list Pokemon articles that need work. Mmm? Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 00:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
CreatorsFire Blast: User:Fire Blast (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (only edits to Fire Blast and Charmander) Looks like something from new users that we are now going through AfD with. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 00:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
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