Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian cities/Archive 1

City name in the local language

I've observed that the lead-in of a city article contains the name in one or more Indian languages. I have also observed a battle that keeps coming up time and again in the case of Bangalore where Tamil and/or Telugu scripts are added along with Kannada, which doesn't make sense to me (I just removed the Telugu scripted name from the article today). I agree that due to economic reasons a lot of people move between cities of different states and the original demarcation of Indian states based on language may not be completely relevant now. Bangalore is particularly prominent (after Bombay) because of the thriving IT industry inviting people from all over the country. But just because of that, it doesn't mean your language should be added to the list of vernacularly scripted names. To maintain complete political neutrality, all fifteen official languages ought to be used, which ofcourse, is extremely cumbersome! So IMO, I'd suggest that the official language of the state alone be used while scripting the city's name in a local language. Any thoughts? dp 20:38, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think what should be used, is what people use it in the city. :) e.g. In Hyderabad, name Hyderabad is written on shops in one of the following: English, Hindi, Telugu, Urdu. In Mumbai, name Mumbai/Bombay is written on shops in English, Hindi, Marathi (Both are written in Devnagari, but they differ sometimes), and Occasionally Gujarati. (Once upon a time all train stations had name in Gujarati, probably due to the fact that Mumbai State had both languages, and Mumbai city especially has had large Gujarati population historically). Having Gujarati on Mumbai page may be politically incorrect in today's terms, but it may make historically.

Cities and districts

A number of Indian cities and towns of moderate size also has a district of the same name, for example, Ranchi is a district as well as the name of a town which is the district headquarters. In such cases, a stand should be decided about placing Wikiproject Indian cities. For the time being, I am placing this with all such cities and towns, which have an identical district name. Please suggest a decision on this point. --Bhadani 4 July 2005 15:07 (UTC)

I'm aware of the problem. For such cases, the district is named Ranchi district, and Ranchi is the town. What I have to still figure out is the status of Delhi, Chandigarh and Daman, three eccentricities. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 4, 2005 15:41 (UTC)

Neighborhoods

Many american cities have a list of neighborhoods e.g. nyc section and atlanta list towards the end, and a few sentences about the most interesting neighborhoods. I guess people would like to write about interesting neighborhoods in their own city - eg. mumbaikars about kabutar khana and colaba and hundreds of others. punekars have already added the peths in central pune, but can add more about these..

so maybe we can add the list of neighborhoods to the template? tejas81 12:52PM, may 24 2006

Trivandrum

I tried re-editing Thiruvananthapuram based on the guidelines here. Do have a look. Anoop 08:22, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't your use of 'altitude' actually be 'elevation'?

Agra

Can someone have a look at the Agra page? I am an american, and I am having a hard time finding source material for the suggested topic headings. Sports? Name of Mayor? Where does one find such info?? Please add some edits, or help me find online sources. Thanks.--Nemonoman 01:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Bharatpur

Please have a look at the Bharatpur page. I could not find any information about the location of this city in map.(latitude and longitude). This info can be useful for tourists looking up places in Online maps, like GoogleMaps. Thanks

Danta, Gujarat

I will be writing an article on Danta, which was for many years a princely state in Gujarat. I am in the process of researching at this moment and will put the article up when it becomes availible. How can I add it to the Indian cities WikiProject? - rohan 27 September, 2005.

Machilipatnam

I have written up an article on Machilipatnam as per the Wikiproject Indian Cities template. Please take a look and add/edit whatever you think is needful. - Ganeshk 06:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Should Origin of Name be part of History?

Should Origin of Name be part of History? e.g. Hyderabad was originally Bhagyanagar, and later changed to Hyderabad. If it should be seperated, what type of writing style should be used? Should the history just say, City of xyz was founded by abc in ####? And avoid all references to name changes? Or Skip the Origin of Name from the main page, and provide all that information in History of the city, a seperate page? Chirags 17:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Spellings, transliterations, et al

Can the name be given in a consistent standard Latinised transliteration from the original language, after the version in the original language? It should probably be in National Library at Calcutta romanization. This should apply to districts as well. Imc 17:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh Template

I have created an updated template for Andhra Pradesh in my sandbox. I have sourced my changes from U.S. State templates. Please check it out and give your comments. If it is fine, we could adopt the same for other states too. Thanks, Ganeshk 00:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Vehicle codes

Where can I find a city's vehicle code? I need to update Machilipatnam's for a start? - Ganeshk 20:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Gujarat Riots

I recently came across this page - Gandhinagar. It has a section called terrorist attacks, which begins with the gujarat riots of 2002. everyone knows that those riots spread all over gujarat. so does it need to be mentioned on the pages of all the cities/towns/villages related to gujarat? there is a lot of discussion going on about the same issue in the talk page of the article Gujarat also. should all such events be part of their respective city's/state's article? - Aksi great 14:55, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Bijapur

I have tried modifying the article Bijapur without changing much of its text. Please advise. --Aravind Parvatikar 11:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Naming convention for districts

Are there any naming conventions for districts and towns with the same name. Most districts in India has a town with the same name in it. For example there are two articles in wikipedia called Kottayam and Kottayam District. There is a lot of redundant information in these two pages. Is it necessary? I believe we should discuss and implement wikipedia guidelines for indian town and district articles. If this discussion has already taken place please direct me to the same. --DuKot 20:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Response and further discussion here. - Ganeshk (talk) 23:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Referencing and citations

Many articles on Indian cities are bereft of a proper or at least uniform referencing format. To improve the quality of articles on Indian cities and to promote uniformity in citing sources, there needs to be some discussion on referencing the work of others. Typically, in the United States, most sources either use the APA style or the MLA style. The APA has a more complicated format and is used more often in academia for scholarly research papers. The MLA tends to be an easier format to follow and is probably used more extensively. What are your thoughts on selecting a specific format for citations? AreJay 19:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

google search on indian cities

Hi, I did a search in google to find out how wikipeidia some of the articles on Indian cities rank and heres what I found: (def - google has a definition link on the search)

• Calcutta - 6 def? yes

• Kolkata - 8 def? no

• Bombay - 7 def? yes

• Mumbai - 6 def? yes

• Chennai - 6 def? yes

• Madras - 9 def? yes

• Bangalore - 5 def? yes
• Ahmedabad - 6 def? yes
• Hyderabad - 12 def? (no link to content)

well...excepting Hyderabad, I think its a fairly good result: its going to lead to a lot more vandalism attacks though. --hydkat 08:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

*Shimla - 11 ramit 05:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Bhopal

The article on Bhopal has an image which shows PoK as part of Pakistan. May I replace this by an image in WikiProject Indian cities standard format? I can make the image myself as I have already done it in the case of Kharagpur. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please go ahead and change it per Wikipedia convention for depicting Kashmir in Indian articles. AreJay 17:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Symbol for kilometers

The symbol for kilometers is not "Kms" and not "KMs" and not "kms" and not "km." and not "Kms.", etc.

It is km, lowercase, no full stop, no s.

I have already changed that in far too many articles about Indian cities. Gene Nygaard 21:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Why does this remain such a pervasive problem? See, e.g., Vellore, Nizamabad, All India Institute of Medical Sciences. Is this something systematically mistaught in India? Gene Nygaard 10:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Spacing

There is a space between sentences, after commas (not before commas), etc. Gene Nygaard 21:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Hisar and Hisarya

Any objections to deleting Hisarya, India? See Talk:Hisar, India for details. Art LaPella 03:12, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation

Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 18:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Pune

the page needs a major re-edit has been subject to a lot of vandalism. When I say a lot its an understatement.

--Aakkshay 20:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Added name pronunciations of Indian cities

Hi everyone, I just have finished adding the name pronunciations for all major cities of India. I would request everyone to please review them & feedback will be much appreciated.

Thanks

Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 09:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

(P.S Incidentally this also happens to be my 3000th edit to Wikipedia!)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic)

Help add input for Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic) --Dangerous-Boy 05:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahmedabad peer review

I have started a peer review for Ahmedabad. Please feel free to add your comments there.- Aksi_great (talk) 14:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Delhi

Please have a look at the Delhi article. I am quite suprised to know that WikiProject Indian cities has such strict rules regarding the content of various sections. India is a very diverse country and it is completely unjustified to have the same standards for all Indian cities. --Incman|वार्ता 04:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ghaziabad

Please have a look at the Ghaziabad article. Just aligned it with the template here at WikiProject Indian cities. -- Aneesha 18:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Hindi Names of Cities

To whom it may concern: I feel it is important (although not completely necessary but a good idea) that we also include (or be allowed to include) Hindi names for the city of India. Hindi is our country's national and official language. The Hindi name (along with the name(s) if local languages) will be a uniting factor among the cities of India. Hindi is also now compulsory in most parts of India as well. The Government of India sedulously works to promote the spread and usage of the language. As Indians, I feel we should support this stance by our government.Hindi is even said to be the language that unites India. I feel that in the cities of India, we should also be allowed to put the Hindi name next to the local name and should not be reprimanded for doing so. I would greatly appreciate for the leaders of this project to consider my idea.

I disagree with this proposal. The English name should be accompanied by the name in the local language script.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the idea of local script only.--Dangerous-Boy 17:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Dwaipayan and DB. Not yet. Gizza^{Chat ©} 21:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the original proposal and agree with Dwaipayan. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I too disagree. Names of some cities are not meant to be written in the devnagri script. From my limited knowledge of south indian languages, I think there are some letter which do not have any equivalent in Hindi. How would we write Kozhikode in Hindi? - Aksi_great (talk) 07:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree as per historic reasons :) --hydkat 10:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

None of the above responses have provided a solid reason why the Hindi name should not be included, whereas the original proposal did provide quite a sound reason. I'm just curious what your reasons might be. If they are really valid, I can accept not including the Hindi name. Do you think it will clutter the introductory sentence too much? hydkat, what 'historic' reasons do you have against the inclusion of the Hindi name? Could you be more clear? Aksi_great, 'Kozhikkode' cannot be written correctly in English either - I think the railways use something like 'कोषिक्कोड' to transliterate the letter 'zh'. I don't think that 'phoneticity' of the Devanagari script is the reason for including Hindi. In a recent (rather extreme) example of the application of this rule, non-English spellings for Mumbai were shown as Marathi/Hindi: मुंबई (since they are identical), and a user deleted the word 'Hindi' there. I agree with the original proposal that the Hindi name should be included along with English and the official language of the state. Please continue to discuss this. 71.106.99.65 06:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Kozhikode may not be written correctly in English either. But we have to do with that as this is the English wikipedia. The Hindi names would not clutter the opening sentence too much - but there is no need for them. We are not here to promote the stances of the Indian government with regards to Hindi. Hindi is not a traditional language of some Indian cities not part of the Hindi belt and hence should not be used. The uniting factor among Indian cities is that they are in India and not the Hindi language. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 06:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

China Town, Kolkata

interesting article. Anyone care to expand?--Dangerous-Boy 17:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Logo, etc

The logo used for this wikiproject has some license issues (for instance, it can't be a GFDL image); it may not stay on commons forever. You might consider a different project logo. +sj + 21:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Locator map

For using the autolocator map, on the infobox, do the following,

• Remove the image_map tag. Do not include a existing picture.
• Check if latd and longd coordinates exist, for latitude and logitude.
• Add locator_position tag to indicate whether the "city name" label should show on the left or the right of the dot. Example: See Nagpur

- Ganeshk (talk) 22:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Mysore

Hi, am (relatively) new to the Wikipedia, and have done (again, relatively) extensive work on the Mysore page. It'd be nice if someone more experienced could take a look and advise on further improvement, particularly on (a) the number of locations, people and institutions that are wikilinked but do not exist (having been born and brought up in Mysore, I am unsure how compelling pages on most of those ever will be) (b) the "notable" people mentioned (c) the surprising number of external references to data on a particular community. Many thanks. - Sdsouza 18:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:India geo-Infobox

Template:India geo-Infobox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Bob 16:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Duplicate places

Hello Indian city editors! Scanning through Category:Maharashtra geography stubs I found several articles which seem to be duplicates:

• Pimpri Chinchwad and Pimpri-Chinchwad
• Mukhed and Mudkhed
• Mira-Bhayandar and Mira-Bhayander
• Kuruntwad and Kurundvad
• Khargar and Kharghar
• Murtajapur and Murtijapur

If they are the same places they could do with being merged but I apologise if I have tagged them when they are not duplicates. They should not be too difficult to merge as many are bot created articles and contain very different information from the hand created version. I would suggest someone in the know looking through other indian geo stub categoris as they will probably find more. MeltBanana 20:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I can confirm that 1, 3 & 5 are duplicates. I guess the others are too. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject India

The following discussion is copied from WT:INB. Please respond there to keep the discussion centralised.

I think we should retire templates for the various Indian wikiprojects such as {{Wikiproject Indian districts}}, {{Wikiproject Indian cinema}}, {{Wikiproject History of India}} etc. and replace them all with {{WP India}}. It has various advantages over the others.

• We can rate the articles - the rating counts appear on the WP:IND page as we do so.
• Each of the above child projects can get exposure as the template can incorporate their names as well.
• This will guide new people and other interested readers to a centralised project page and help us recruit better for the projects.
• It will help rejuvenate the WP:IND. It has the lowest no. of members of all these projects.

These are just some thoughts. If there is agreement on this, we can start by replacing the templates on the project pages with the {{WP India}} template. -- Lost^(talk) 18:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)