Wikipedia talk:Wikidata/2018 Infobox RfC

In order to answer some of the concerns that have been raised during the RfC, we've been compiling a few tools that help Wikipediens to monitor the changes happening on Wikidata. You'll find a short description of them in this blog post. I hope that is helpful, and feel free to ping me if you have questions or need precisions. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, but it looks as if even regular Wikidata editors don't use these (judging from the time it takes to reverse vandalism to high-profile pages). Furthermore, something like "page info" on Wikidata is a) not linked from the page (as far as I can see), and b) simply shows a lists of languages linked to the page, but nothing actually useful (like which articles it is used in). "We cleaned up the watchlist substantially. Now the things you’ll see are relevant to the article", well, more of them are (i.e. many of the totally irrelevant are gone), but enough irrelevant ones remain, and the ones that are shown are still impossible to understand as it shows Ps and Qq instead of the corresponding labels. "With the vandalism dashboard, we make sure that no problematic edit goes unnoticed for a long time." Is rather optimistic, there are plenty of problematic edits which go unnoticed for ever and a day.

Not directly related to your blog, but I followed the link to Reasonator for Luxemburg, and it seems to have many, many problems, like not displaying many characters ("1.55 (NaN–NaN)", "🇱🇺 [zxx]"), having lots of incorrect or irrelevant (or at the very least extremely confusing) information like "language of work or name : Norwegian". In general, it is not really better than simply looking at the Wikidata item directly (which isn't a compliment). Fram (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hey Fram, a few answers to your points:

"Page information" is there in the sidebar on Wikidata as well.
On the special page on Wikidata that shows all the wikis using data from that item you can click on the wiki's link and get to a page that lists all the articles.
Remaining unuseful edits in the watchlist are often happening because the local Lua module is loading the whole item instead of something more specific. They are slowly being changed now but I'm interested in specific examples.

--Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 09:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. For page information, I didn't notice the sidelnk. I usually see it when I edit a page (when you get the long list at the bottom, below the edit box), and I couldn't access it this way from Wikidata. Fram (talk) 09:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

When I checked this two days ago, I took two clear pieces of vandalism from the list to see whether anyone would catch them. For more than 1 1/2 day, "New Jersey" (not something unimportant or minor) was called "Ecuador" instead[1]. Vandalism on a much more minor page like the Wikidata page for Christell is still not reverted after 2 1/2 days.[2]. While these tools are somewhat interesting, it seems that Wikidata editors are not monitoring them and vandalism reversion is not improving. And these are examples of things which get shown on the Vandalism Dashboard, which only works for a few very specific (though common) types of vandalism, but not for vandalism to other properties, which remains for a lot longer. Fram (talk) 09:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

The reCh tool can filter potential property vandalism as well. No idea why it wasn’t featured in the blog post. —MisterSynergy (talk) 14:02, 6 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Despite tools, this was reverted after almost 2.5 months. Another case is nearing 6 months (and that vandalism blocks edits on en.wikipedia). There is NO control, imported or set vandalism can stay for months.

Knowing that, vandalism that stays for hours at most has long-lasting effects on en.wikipedia when the transclusions don’t get re-updated. —Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 14:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

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