Category talk:All Websites articles

Speedy renaming opposed, March 2019

Moved from WP:CFDS

 – BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:18, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

• Category:All Websites articles to Category:All WikiProject Websites pages – C2C, consistent with parent cat Category:WikiProject Websites and because it contains cats as well as articles. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Category:Websites articles needing attention‎ to Category:WikiProject Websites articles needing attention‎
  • Category:Websites articles needing images‎ to Category:WikiProject Websites articles needing images‎
  • Category:Websites articles by importance‎ to Category:WikiProject Websites articles by importance‎
  • Category:Websites articles without infoboxes‎ to Category:WikiProject Websites articles without infoboxes‎
  • Category:Websites articles by quality‎ to Category:WikiProject Websites articles by quality‎
  • Category:Websites articles by quality and importance‎ to Category:WikiProject Websites articles by quality and importance‎

    @UnitedStatesian: Does Category:All Websites articles contain cats as well as articles? Here's its category tree:

    All Websites articles

    no subcategories

    I agree with inserting "WikiProject", but "articles" appears correct. – Fayenatic London 16:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

    I was basing it on the parent in its category tree, not its children. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

    @Fayenatic london: Actually it contains category talk pages, as they are added through a project banner. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

    Oppose - Most categories below the main WikiProject Foo articles category do not use "WikiProject" (see e.g. subcats of Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments, Category:Articles needing attention, Category:Wikipedia articles with an infobox request, etc.). WikiProject assessment categories also typically use "articles" instead of "pages", even when the category contains non-article pages (e.g. Category:Category-Class France articles). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 03:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

    Both of which are problems to fix, not emulate and "enforce". So, support, and do more similar renames. Agree it is not a speedy.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:49, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

  Problems. These will soon be removed as stale: the opposes are well-founded, so this will clearly not proceed as a speedy. Feel free to make the proposal at a full CFD discussion.

  In theory I agree wholeheartedly with @SMcCandlish that the current convention is wrong, and that all Wikiproject assessment categories should be renamed to CategoryWikiProject Foobar articles by quality, Category:C-Class WikiProject Foobar articles, etc etc. In theory.

  However, in practice, this would be an absolute nightmare to achieve, because it could not just be done by the existing CFD bots.

  1. Every WikiProject banner template would need to be modified
  2. Every Category header would need to be modified to reflect the new naming convention. Those headers use a variety of templates, some generic and some custom, and some just use manual links.

  That is a big job for each and every WikiProject. And there, at a guess ~ 2,000 WikiProjects, some with up to 50 assessment categories. If we assume an average of 20 assessment cats per project, then that's somewhere 40,000 categories which will need attention.

  Putting that lot through CFD would break CFD. The small number of admins who process WP:CFDW couldn't possibly take that on. It needs a separate process, with custom bots on the job.

  So I want to give notice that I will oppose this vigorously if it appears at CFD. It needs to be decided at an RFC, and implemented in a structured way by dedicated bots. </rant>

  (Also pinging @ Armbrust, @Black Falcon, @Fayenatic,UnitedStatesian). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:32, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  A fine rant, and I wholly agree. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 02:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

  I only nominated these seven (and will only take these seven to full CFD, if I get to it) because "websites" is ambiguous, in the we have Category:Websites that is an article category, not a talkpage category used by a WikiProject, so this is one where I think the addition of "WikiProject" is more important. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  @UnitedStatesian, my rant above was about SMcCandlish's idea of changing the naming convention.

  I'd be happy to support renaming these as an exception, for the reasons you set out. But it's not speediable, so does need a full CFD. You can open a full CFD whenever you like. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  I agree that it's viable, and perhaps useful, to rename this particular set. I also agree that we do not want or need to implement this across all WikiProject assessment categories. I have renamed such categories for a couple of WikiProjects or task forces in the past, and it requires a surprising amount of work to category pages and templates. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  How is "websites" more ambiguous than any other topic (e.g. we have Category:France articles by quailty in spite of Category:France being an article category)? -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 02:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)