Category talk:American aikidoka

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I am questioning the inclusion of Brian Gamble in this list.

By his own admission at http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/theblade0/BIO.html he only practiced Aikido for 4 years, and currently practices ninjitsu (sic). Based on my understanding, it takes about 5 to 7 years to get to shodan in USAF (or ASU), so more then likely he never got a dan ranking in Aikido. Compared to Mitsunari Kanai, Hiroshi Ikeda, Frank Doran or Mitsugi Saotome who spent lifetimes practicing Aikido (all of the above are shihan), who is Brian Gamble? Who are his students? Have YOU ever heard of him in Aikido context? Would you want to study Aikido under him?

Why the need to be naturalized?

I saw the discussion topic in Mitsugi Saotome's discussion page, and saw that Hiroshi Ikeda has been removed from this list, over the lack of citable sources that indicate that they are naturalized US citizens.

I am wondering why we are restricting "American Aikidoka" to US citizens. It seems to me that teaching in the US on a permanent basis is neccessary and sufficient to be an "American Aikidoka." Does use of the term "American" or some other place name cause some Wikipedia guideline to come into play that forces this? If so, I would like to see that listed in the discussion page for any teacher who is removed from the list for the purpose of clarification. If the definition is up to us then I really think the country they teach in, or in the case of most of these guys, built organizations in, is more important than whether they are greencard holders or full citizens. FYI Both Ikeda Sensei and Saotome Sensei are naturalized US citizens but this is not frequently documented since nobody really cares. Transentient (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Why two pages of aikidoka?

Why is this page separate from List of aikidoka? Can the two just be combined?Joe Shuri (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses a category tree to sort articles - it is a pretty robust way of dealing with a huge variety of articles. Some people prefer a single list rather than the category tree so for some topics we have both. Its not a big deal. Just remember this page is in category space whereas the list is in article space, two very different entities.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)