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Atomic physics is an application of quantum mechanics as condensed state physics and particle physics but is not a part of it. Of course I understand theoretical atomic physics is a part of quantum mechanics but experimental atomic physics is definitively not. Just as astronomy is not a part of general relativity or cosmology.Vb 13:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)~Reply

The Begy Atomic Model

My name is Leonard Bruce Begy,

The Neils Bohr atomic model has always presented some problems for me;

1. The nucleus contains protons that are at close proximities in the nucleus. The reason (I am to believe) that the nucleus does not rip itself asunder is the strong nuclear force which binds these protons together with a force greater than the electro-magnetic forces that try to push them apart.

2. This nuclear glue known as "The strong nuclear force" unlike every other force in nature has no influence outside the nucleus of the atom. By my count that is twice I am asked to ignore universal laws of physics, and it just gets worse!

3. This nucleus which is bound together by this all powerful "strong nuclear force" tends sometimes to fall apart... YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING! o.k. What is the explanation for this?... Enter the "weak nuclear force" and of course its influence does not extend outside the nucleus of the atom!?! HUH?

4. Neutrons... A neutron is a neutral particle with a mass a little greater than that of the proton. The purpose of the neutron? It would seem that the neutron is as useless as teats on a boar hog. Not much is known about neutrons, after all they are as reactive as... well they don't react, they have no charge. It is however believed that neutrons do on occasion decay into a proton/electron pair with a small release of energy.

5. What holds the neutrons in the nucleus?

If you can accept all of this the Bohr atom is quite simple, If you are not familiar with the Bohr atom please do a little research and return to this article.

I believe I have a better model

Let me first state that my model relies a great deal on the force of gravity. Twenty some odd years ago I tried to introduce my atomic model at the University of South Florida in Tampa. Although my audience listened to my entire spiel with great attentiveness and interest at the end a single voice uttered... "Gravity is not that strong!" and the entire room fell into agreement. I tried to explain that I believed that gravity was a force acting upon our universe and not from within and that indeed the force of gravity was easily that strong... but they were no longer listening. Now however it would seem that most of the scientific community is in agreement that gravity is indeed a very great force acting upon and not from within our universe. Am I saying that gravity holds the nucleus together? NO if that were the nature of gravity our entire universe would dissappear before it ever got started. Do bear with me and I believe that you will come to have a better understanding of gravity and all of the physical properties of our universe, better than most theorists today (yes, that includes you Mr. Hawking)

Let us examine the most common isotope of the simple helium atom. (2) protons (2) electrons and (2) neutrons refer to the following schematic:

(+)proton (-)electron (n)neutron

                                       (n)
                      (-)            (+) (+)            (-)
                                       (n)

This is the Bohr model

Now consider 4 Neutrons with nothing better to do than drift about in empty space.

(n)

                            (n)                    (n)

(n)

In the utter emptiness of their subatomic world what forces are acting upon them? Only one, gravity. Gravity will pull them all toward one another, that is its nature. picture if you will these neutrons colliding like billiard balls. 2 of them will give up some energy and 2 of them will gain that energy. Are you ready, this is where things start to make sense. (THEORY) 2 of those neutrons will come to rest relative to each other at the moment of collision the other 2 will not only rebound but the energy added by the 2 at rest will cause them to decay into proton electron pairs.

The protons and electrons share the inrtia from the collision. The electrons having only 1/1839th the mass of the protons travel at a much greater relative velocity than the protons. this page is limited in size so you will have to use your imagination here.

(-)

(+)

                                     (n) (n)

(+)

(-)

This difference in velocity will be eroded by the attraction between the proton and electron and at some point the electron will rejoin the proton and alakazam neutron.

(n)

                                     (n) (n)

(n)

Gravity takes over again and there is another collision. This time the 2 neutrons at rest will gain energy and the other 2 will come to rest. The process repeats itself adinfinitum. I like to think that the neutrons feel good about having a part in all of this, I know I do.

Now about that strong nuclear force, Totally unneeded! But what about the weak? This model is ideal but the real world is not perfect and neither is the atom. The collision timing and energies exchanged will vary and occasionally an atom will fall apart. Typically the larger the atom the shorter the time before it does so. Completley in line with the physics of nuclear decay... sans the weak nuclear force.

What about the nature of gravity? Imagine please that energy were constantly pouring into our universe with the result of everything, even the very fabric of space-time expanding at an accelerating pace. How could you possibly detect that expansion? Please take a moment to consider that one, Then scroll down for the answer.

Place a small object between the thumb and forefinger, extend your arm out in front of you, now release the object.

O.K you Einsteins out there, there is a lot more investigation to be done here. Have at it, have fun and keep me posted at ButchTroll@Yahoo.com

Finally some food for thought:

Neutrinos - What is their role? (Could space be somewhat flooded by them?)

Photons - What is their source in this model? (Collision, Decay, particle acceleration-deceleration?)

Orbits - If gravity is a manifestation of expansion, what about orbits? (Dark matter pressure?)

Dark matter - New Matter, neutrinos, something else?

The BIG BANG - Trace back expansion, was there a Bang at all, is gravity the bang?

The "Beginning" of time. Does time have a beginning, How is That possible or not?

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