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The above category was merged into this category. The following is the archived discussion that proceeded such merger:
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Nominator's rationale: Until recently, Nobel laureates from the UK populated, on a totally arbitrary basis, either of these two categories (and those with an affinity to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland appeared in addition, or instead, as “Scottish Nobel laureates”, etc., as the case may be). With the intention of adding some consistency, I removed the few individuals appearing in the "British Nobel laureates" category to the "English Nobel laureates" (which was somewhat more populated than the British) or, in a few instances, to the Scottish, Welsh or Northern Ireland categories, where appropriate. I also added several dozen UK laureates that had not previously appeared in any of the categories. The British Nobel laureates category thus became solely a parent category for the subcategories of the four constituent parts of the UK (and a parentcat notice was added). However, on reflection, I believe that the correct approach should be, subject to discussion and consensus, for all UK Nobel laureates to be categorized as British Nobel laureates, and that those with an affinity to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to appear, in addition, in subcategories for "Scottish Nobel laureates", "Welsh Nobel laureates" or "Nobel laureates from Northern Ireland".
My primary reasons for proposing the merger are:
All British Nobel laureates will appear in a single category (just like the citizens of any other country), without the same being subdivided, to some extent, on the basis of ethnicity.
One will see, at a glance, by the number of British laureates (over 100), the contribution of the UK (second only the USA in terms of number of laureates).
A number of those listed as “English” (by far the majority with 89 laureates) appear there almost by default, in light of having no particular connection to either Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. In addition, many of such laureates, while considering themselves fully “British” (and having British citizenship), may well not consider themselves “English”, for example, a West Indian laureate living in London, or a wartime refugees from Nazi Germany, or a British subject who had lived most of his or her life abroad. The category English Nobel laureates is, accordingly, somewhat misleading.
that a separate English Nobel laureates category is inappropriate in that, even in those cases were the laureate is clearly English, he will still probably consider himself first and foremost British, which may not be the case for, say, a Scottish laureate. (Sport is probably the only area where the English look first to England!)
I therefore propose:
that these two categories be merged under the name “British Nobel laureates”:
that the parentcap notice be removed from the “British Nobel laureates”:
that any user subsequently wishing to create an “English Nobel laureates” category be notified that such category was deleted and is directed to this discussion: and
that the categories “Scottish Nobel laureates”, “Welsh Nobel laureates” and “Nobel laureates from Northern Ireland” remain subcategories of British Nobel laureates, and the laureates currently appearing in such categories (currently numbering 9, 3 and 5, respectively), also appear in the British Nobel laureates category.
Merge per nom. I'll go with this here, as it is a relatively limited category. These UK people cats are a nonsense, but arouse strong feelings. Johnbod (talk) 18:18, 25 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Merge per nom, provided the other British ethicities are also merged. 100 is not too many for a single category. The number of new Nobel laureates is not so great that this would be a problem. The Nobel Prize is such a notable award, that categorisation both as Welsh and as British might be acceptable. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:18, 25 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
