Category talk:Holocaust deniers

Early discussions

— anthony^[cfc] 00:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

The Nick Griffin entry should be under G, not N... how to change this?

FeZzYwEzZy - 07/12/06

You go to Nick Griffin and edit the entry that says "[[Category:Holocaust deniers]]". It should say "[[Category:Holocaust deniers|Griffin, Nick]]". Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 11:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Anti-semetic

The anti-semetic people category has very specific rules on who is included. If you want to include this group in that category, you need to include those rules here. Secondly, it needs to be a proper categorization, which means that all the people who are in both Anti-Semetic and Holocaust deniers need to be removed from the first.--Prosfilaes 14:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to remove the duplicates, but this category belongs here.--Sefringle 00:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

No, you get to remove the duplicates, in what will be interpreted as a flagrant display of your antisemitism. This is the easier fix.--Prosfilaes 05:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The alternative was better. I have now removed most of the duplicates.--Sefringle 20:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Antisemitism is better in this regard. -- Avi 01:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Holocaust denial is a recognized form of antisemitism, so those who deny the holocaust are antisemites.--Sefringle 04:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

That is nonsense. That is like saying ALL those promoting the Holocaust are antigermanists. Or those denying an extermanition program against Germans are antiteutonists. Disbelieve in Holocaust claims doesn't mean you entertain a specific attituted towards Jews in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hektorza (talk • contribs) 19:03, 24 May 2007

I cannot see any way to deny holocaust without calling Jews conspirators. On the other hand, knowing that there was a holocaust doesn't mean that you are anti-germanic. It means you have common sense and see the overwhelming evidence for holocaust, and also, if you are not mentally ill, anti-nazist. 109.182.107.44 (talk) 14:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Jean Beaufret

I think we need to include Jean Beaufret as well. He supported the statements made by Robert Faurisson. (Hektorza 19:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)).

• Support of statements is not enough. To qualify a person has to proactively produce scholarship in which they deny that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews. Merely saying you agree with someone else who has made such accusations is not enough.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Flavio Goncalves

I believe you should include the Portuguese denier Flavio Goncalves, he was in the Holocaust denial conference in Tehran with Faurisson and Thion. Google for him.

Who decides who belongs in this category, is this slander?

What kind of slander page is this? Who decides who is what? I have a feeling this category will be removed because of legal reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.126.164 (talk) 06:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, @69.86.126.164:. Wikipedia editors do not decide who is, or is not, a Holocaust denier. The only thing an editor may do is report what reliable sources such as well respected newspapers, magazines, and books have to say about this. Wikipedia editors are not allowed to give their own opinion about this--they can only report what they find elsewhere. If any editor makes the decision themselves without a reliable source, then that is considered to be Original Research which is against the rules of Wikipedia. In addition, the information must be Verifiable, so that you, or anyone, can check the source that makes such a claim for yourself, and see whether it is true or not. If it's not true, you, or any other editor may challenge or remove the information without asking anybody for permission. Finally, if the person in question is still alive, it's even harder to add someone to the category as the rules for what you can say in Wikipedia about living persons is very strict.

I doubt that this category will be removed, but if you have an example of someone you think should not be on the list, please add it here. If the person is still alive, that is considered an emergency that has to be dealt with immediately: in that case, please add their name here as well: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Hope this answers your question.

P.S. I renamed your question, which formerly was ??, to make it easier for others scanning down the Table of Contents. I hope you don't mind. Mathglot (talk) 09:01, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mathglot: funny enough, Wikipedia editors do still ultimately decide who is or isn't, based on how they decide which sources are "reliable" and "well-respected". It's the more laughable escape from accountability and pretending POV-pushing doesn't exist, simply by rejecting anything disliked by condemning a source as unreliable if it says it. It's ultimately circular justification. Ranze (talk) 03:33, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

subcategorization

Would there be good value if this category were subcategorized by nationality where there are sufficient people to populate a subcategory? Hmains (talk) 03:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Please include Dietlieb Felderer - lots of intersting stuff available on him. His research is airtight and he is/was a character. Booby Fischer hated Jews but I don't remember any denier statements. Maybe he made some but it was probably in a sentence just blurting out how much he hated the Jews, not a real scholarly history buff. 159.105.81.31 (talk) 13:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

There's no article on him so he can't be included. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 06:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Persons may not be categorized as anti-Semitic

Per the recent RFC, about which I disagreed, persons may not be categorized as anti-Semitic. As such this category about persons may not include Antisemitism as a parent category. I am happy to see and support anyone who is willing to complain about the status quo, but it is what it is. I have a lot to do to carry out the RFC's decision, but I will circle around back to this. -- Kendrick7^talk 01:58, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

How do we challenge this status quo? Holocaust denial is antisemitism. GingerBreadHarlot (talk) 15:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The Letter N

Issam Naaman is listed under the letter I, how do I list him under the letter N? GingerBreadHarlot (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Add {{DEFAULTSORT:Naaman, Issam}} anywhere on the page. The standard place to add it, is right before the first category. It will sort on Category pages by Last name, then first name. Mathglot (talk) 21:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

National subcategories

Category:French Holocaust deniers only has 12 articles in it, have any other nations reached this? Surely there's enough to make a Category:American Holocaust deniers or similar? I'm not sure on the name though, should it be Category:Holocaust deniers from the United States? There's not just North America but also South America. Ranze (talk) 03:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Update, chose the first for now, could move if it's a problem. Also started on Australia/Canada. There seem to be a lot of English/British/UK people but I am not sure how to stylize that category, they're not exactly always synonymous right? Ranze (talk) 04:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Update: small categories were merged, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_July_4#Category:Holocaust_deniers_by_nationality. – Fayenatic London 13:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)