Category talk:Murderers

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Why is Kimberly Ann Guglielmo in the list of murderers? She was the one murdered according to the article.

Convicted of committing?

In light of the NPOV, wouldn't it be more precise to say that these people are convicted of committing murder? I'm just new here, but that seems to be a better and more proper way of describing this category. RevDave 19:51, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

It's not a very well-thought-out categorization. Some people convicted of manslaughter are currently classified as murderers. No distinction is made between being accused of murder, committing murder, or being convicted of murder. (It also doesn't make much sense classifying murderers by nationality, but Wikipedia's classification system is (irrationally) obsessed with nationality, probably beyond repairing.) - Nunh-huh 04:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I have had a discussion on this issue on the Maxwell Stuart article. (Mumia Abu-Jamal is another person whose conviction is widely disputed.) But people convicted in Stalin's show trials are not so labelled. The response I got was: (a)that the conviction was sound, (b)that "murderer" means "a person convicted of murder" (c)that this is Wikipedia's policy (that old fallback). But nothing about NPOV which is supposedly strenuously upheld by Wikipedia.--Jack Upland 07:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Further to the discussion raised at Talk:Maxwell Stuart, I have suggested that given Stuart was convicted, had unsuccessfully appealed, the verdict had been reviewed by a Royal Commission and upheld, to fail to categorise him as a murderer seemed to be POV, rather than the other way around. It is not the Wikipedia's role to unconvict someone - the issue is to report the facts. To categorise someone as a murderer, Wikipedia:Verifiability is met by reference to court decisions and, in the Stuart case, the report of the Royal Commission. As the issue perhaps was with the category label, the discussion has been referred to category discussion pages and a discussion has been initiated here. The label descriptor for Category:Australian murderers states: "Australian who have been convicted of murder." - in Australia the legal system is the arbiter.--A Y Arktos 10:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• The suggestion at the Australian Wikipedians' notice board by User:LiquidGhoul is to "make the category Category:Convicted murderers and Category:Australian convicted murderers. They seems less POV." I endorse the suggestion.--A Y Arktos 10:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• I also agree with that suggestion, and it really should be applied to all the categories in Category:Criminals (which should itself be Category:Convicted criminals). If someone has not been convicted, they might go in a category for people who have been charged and awaiting trial. All the others should be dropped from the category. --bainer (talk) 10:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Please see further discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 February 21#Category:Murderers renamed to Category:Convicted murderers .2B similar cats both subcats and criminals --A Y Arktos 20:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)