Category talk:Self-declared messiahs

Inclusion of Jesus

On 1/6, an editor added the following: Do not include figures where there is a broad tradition of such belief such as Jesus. However, Jesus is in this category currently. Should we remove the language in the category about not including those with a "broad tradition" of belief, or should we remove Jesus from the category? janejellyroll 01:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

My personal opinion is "broad tradition of belief" is rather subjective and it would be more in keeping with NPOV to just remove the restrictions on the category added on 1/6. janejellyroll 01:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm doing that now. JoshuaZ 20:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Others?

What about Menachem Mendel Schneerson? What about David Koresh? Did these guys self-declare? If they did not, they sure came awfully close.--Filll 19:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

What about Wallace Fard?Ericl (talk) 22:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Overlapping categories

High-five to the editors of List of messiah claimants. It's a good model for how the various self-claimed deity categories ought to be organized. I'm hoping someone less busy than me will undertake the task of organzing the overlap. --TheEditrix2 15:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Weasel Words

"Self-declared messiahs are people who have declared themselves as a figure of divine salvation." The word "of" is a weasel word enabling an author to avoid defining messiah. A figure of could refer to a person who claimed he was saved by God. "Divine" is also a weasel word here. What does it mean? Anointed by God or God Himself? Probably what should be said is something like, "A Savior figure who claims to be either God, a god, or a person merely anointed by God." (EnochBethany (talk) 23:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC))