Category talk:Vampirism

Vampirism itself redirects to Vampire lifestyle. Having it as a subcategory of haemophagy seems misplaced, especially if the actual Vampire category is contained within the Vampirism category. --Ciaraleone (talk) 17:46, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Name-group vs topic-group

Worse even, the category right now contains people associated with the "Vampire lifestyle" subculture, it contains the category "Vampirism (crime)" and it contains the 'Vampires' category, which contains mythological and folkloristic beings more or less congruent with vampires. In other words, the category can in its present form only be maintained as "A group of entities that appear in mythology and consume human blood AND entities that reference the namesake Easter-european vampire in their mode of dress AND entities that are human and consume human blood". A pretty convoluted grouping.

• Vampirism (crime) - This category contains a number of people who engaged in non-consensual haematophagy as, or as part of, a crime. "Vampirism" itself is not a crime, neither is it references anywhere on Wikipedia as a colloquial term for this kind of criminal behaviour, but it would fall under the category of bodily harm (or murder, depending on circumstance and severity). One ought to list these criminals as whatever the broad "class" of their crimes would call for them to be listed as, and then separately list them in a category of "Vampire lifestyle", if their crimes had any references to vampire-related "cultural themes". They should also be listed under "Haematophages". If there is desire to maintain a separate Vampirism (crime) category, then I propose "Committers of non-consensual hematophagy", but that is obviously again too convoluted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalle Clemens (talk • contribs) 11:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I propose that the Category:Vampirism should refer - like the Vampire article already does - the Vampire lifestyle. In that case, one could say that, of course, vampires do live (or un-live) the "vampire lifestyle", and so the inclusion of Vampires in the Vampirism category is warranted. However, the Vampire category contains many entities from a different mythological and and folkloristic background who have an appearance and lifestyle that is inconsistent with the the definition of "vampire lifestyle". Although that itself warrants some closer examination, the category would - as it stands - then include "mythological beings who consume human blood AND humans who live a lifestyle that references the namesake Easter-european vampire in their mode of dress and conduct". As can be seen, these two groups have an overlap, but neither definition entirely includes the other, so I propose dissolving that overlap as well. Alternatively, one can make the definition of 'vampire lifestyle' far more lenient to encompass the entirety of the Vampires category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalle Clemens (talk • contribs) 11:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC)