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| Wikipedia:Catholic Encyclopedia cat Blessed | not yet classified |
| John Adams (martyr) | not yet classified |
| Aegidius of Assisi | not yet classified |
| Alanus de Rupe | not yet classified |
| Giacomo Alberione | Stub |
| Alexandrina Maria da Costa | not yet classified |
| Alpaïs of Cudot | not yet classified |
| José de Anchieta | not yet classified |
| Giovenale Ancina | Stub |
| Fra Angelico | not yet classified |
| Anne Catherine Emmerich | not yet classified |
| Anne de Xainctonge | Stub |
| Thomas Aufield | not yet classified |
| Albert Avogadro | not yet classified |
| Margaret Ball | not yet classified |
| Batthyany | Stub |
| Ladislaus Batthyány-Strattmann | not yet classified |
| Bernardo Tolomei | not yet classified |
| André Bessette | not yet classified |
| Titus Brandsma | not yet classified |
| Pedro Calungsod | not yet classified |
| William Joseph Chaminade | not yet classified |
| Christina von Stommeln | Stub |
| Conrad of Offida | not yet classified |
| Hermannus Contractus | Stub |
| Mother Marianne Cope | not yet classified |
| Thomas Cottam | Stub |
| August Czartoryski | not yet classified |
| Jan Franciszek Czartoryski | Stub |
| Robert Dalby (martyr) | not yet classified |
| Father Damien | FA |
| Robert Dibdale | not yet classified |
| Douai Martyrs | Stub |
| James Duckett | not yet classified |
| Edmund Duke (martyr) | not yet classified |
| Duns Scotus | not yet classified |
| Everald Hanse | not yet classified |
| William Exmew | Stub |
| Francesco Faà di Bruno | not yet classified |
| Peter Faber | Start |
| Eurosia Fabris | B |
| John Felton (martyr) | not yet classified |
| Leonid Feodorov | not yet classified |
| Fernando, the Saint Prince | Stub |
| Władysław Findysz | Stub |
| Thomas Ford (martyr) | Stub |
| Charles de Foucauld | Start |
| Stefan Wincenty Frelichowski | Stub |
| Clemens August Graf von Galen | not yet classified |
| Antonio de Sant'Ana Galvão | Stub |
| Gamelbert of Michaelsbuch | Stub |
| Gerard Thom | Stub |
| Archangela Girlani | not yet classified |
| Giselle of Bavaria | not yet classified |
| Mother Ascensión Nicol Goñi | Stub |
| Gregorio Barbarigo | Stub |
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| Blessed Hadewych | not yet classified |
| Elisabeth Hesselblad | not yet classified |
| Hildegard of Bingen | not yet classified |
| Jacoba of Settesoli | Stub |
| James of Viterbo | Stub |
| Joana, Crown Princess of Portugal | Stub |
| Pope John XXIII | B |
| John of Fermo | not yet classified |
| John of Parma | not yet classified |
| John of Ruysbroeck | not yet classified |
| Robert Johnson (martyr) | Stub |
| Jordan of Saxony | Stub |
| Justin de Jacobis | not yet classified |
| Wincenty Kadłubek | Stub |
| Karl I of Austria | not yet classified |
| Kaspar Stanggassinger | Stub |
| Luke Kirby | Stub |
| Kizito | Stub |
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| Kuriakose Elias Chavara | not yet classified |
| Imelda Lambertini | not yet classified |
| John Larke | Stub |
| Maria Theresa Ledochowska | not yet classified |
| Richard Leigh (martyr) | Stub |
| Karl Leisner | not yet classified |
| Bernhard Lichtenberg | not yet classified |
| Eustaquio van Lieshout | not yet classified |
| Louis Aleman | not yet classified |
| Blessed John Lowe | not yet classified |
| Ludovica Albertoni | Stub |
| Mary MacKillop | not yet classified |
| Mafalda of Portugal | Stub |
| Marco d'Aviano | not yet classified |
| Margaret Colona | not yet classified |
| Margaret of Castello | Stub |
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| Marija Petković | not yet classified |
| Jacinta and Francisco Marto | not yet classified |
| Rupert Mayer | Start |
| Humphrey Middlemore | not yet classified |
| Alphonsa Muttathupadathu | not yet classified |
| John Nelson (martyr) | Stub |
| Marie-Clémentine Anuarite Nengapeta | Stub |
| Sebastian Newdigate | not yet classified |
| Nicolas Steno | B |
| Thomas Percy, 7th Earl of Northumberland | Stub |
| Notker of St Gall | not yet classified |
| Dermot O'Hurley | not yet classified |
| Beatrix d'Ornacieux | Stub |
| Frédéric Ozanam | not yet classified |
| Nuno Álvares Pereira | B |
| Peter Gonzalez | Stub |
| William Pike | Stub |
| Pope Pius IX | B |
| George Preca | not yet classified |
| Regina Protmann | not yet classified |
| Rabanus Maurus | Stub |
| Rosalie Rendu | not yet classified |
| Maria Restituta | not yet classified |
| Edmund Ignatius Rice | B |
| John Rochester (martyr) | not yet classified |
| Carlos Manuel Rodríguez | Stub |
| Ludovico Sabbatini | not yet classified |
| Sára Salkaházi | not yet classified |
| Infanta Sancha of Portugal (nun) | Stub |
| José Sánchez del Río | not yet classified |
| Januarius Maria Sarnelli | not yet classified |
| Francis Xavier Seelos | not yet classified |
| Junípero Serra | Start |
| John Shert | Stub |
| Thomas Sherwood | not yet classified |
| Simon of Cascia | Stub |
| Anton Martin Slomšek | Stub |
| Luis Sotelo | not yet classified |
| Aloysius Stepinac | not yet classified |
| Cyprian Michael Iwene Tansi | Start |
| Francis Taylor (martyr) | Stub |
| Kateri Tekakwitha | Start |
| Teresa of Portugal | Stub |
| Mother Teresa | B |
| Thaddeus McCarthy | not yet classified |
| Thomas Abel | not yet classified |
| Thomas Tsugi | Stub |
| Thomas Woodhouse | not yet classified |
| James Thompson (martyr) | Stub |
| Mariam Thresia | Stub |
| Pope Urban V | not yet classified |
| Joseph Vaz | not yet classified |
| Vilmos Apor | not yet classified |
| Jacobus de Voragine | not yet classified |
| Robert Wilcox (martyr) | Stub |
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| William Richardson (Catholicism) | Stub |
| Peter Wright (martyr) | not yet classified |
| Zdenka Cecilia Schelingová | Stub |
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Inclusion in Saints category
editThe Category:Christian saints is the primary category for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints. The project is working with all those parties who are canonized or non-canonized, in the Catholic and other Christian faiths. As many of these "non-canonized" individuals from Catholicism may well qualify as saints under the looser definition used by the Orthodox faiths, it would be somewhat discriminatory to not include them within the scope of the project as well. John Carter 17:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- So now you have a situation in which Category:Catholic saints is a subcat of Category:Venerated Catholics which is a subcat of Category:Catholic saints! I can understand why Category:Venerated Catholics should be a subcat of Category:Saints, but not of Category:Catholic saints, which doesn't cover Orthodoxy. A cat should never be a subcat of itself. I should also point out that categorisation and wikiprojects are two completely different things. The former is a formal part of the actual encyclopaedia, the latter just an informal group of enthusiasts. Categorisation shouldn't be dictated by the convenience of project groups. -- Necrothesp 18:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- You're right about the flawed nature of the current categorization. However, the previous categorization structure was just as unconnected as the current one is over-connected. I am in the process of constructing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints/Articles list which can be used as the basis for using a function to check on all of the changes in the any of the articles on the list, which will thus be able to focus greater attention on those articles, particularly when it comes to reverting vandalism. As soon as I finish adding the individuals included in the Lutheran calendar of saints to the Lutheran saints list, I will work to revise and clarify the entire categorization structure of the Category:Christian saints. While your comments are accurate, I think the day or two until the categorization is resolved is probably less of a problem than the previous disconnection of all the categories. And, if you want to fix categorization, there are bigger concerns out there. I note someone has already indicated that all of the Category:Jainism is a second or third-generation subcategory of Category:Jesus, which is frankly ludicrous. Maybe you could expend some of your effort in some of those completely inexcusable gaffes, rather than trying to micromanage well-intentioned works in progress as soon as they're started. John Carter 20:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I merely tried to fix something that I found utterly confusing. I did a considerable amount of work on categorisation of saints some time ago, but have been otherwise occupied since and haven't looked at it. When I came back to it today (not particularly intentionally, but by following a link) I was frankly shocked at how disjointed and confused the categorisation had become. If you're in the process of sorting it out then I'll leave you to it, but please don't bite someone just because they're not involved in a particular project and remember that editing rights on topics are not restricted to members of said projects. -- Necrothesp 22:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- If you had done work on the categories before, as you had stated, I thank you for it. I have just recently started trying to sort them out for the articles list, and have noticed myself how somewhat disjointed they have become. I am now trying to sort them out so that they become a bit more coherent, leaving all the categories of Catholic saints as subsections of the Category:Catholic saints, and so on. Also, eventually, I am hoping to try to create article lists for each of the categories, particularly the bigger ones, so that people can avoid going through several pages of category to find specific names. Unfortunately, I acknowledge that some of the categorization, including some I have done, is still somewhat random, and am working on it. However, given the proliferation of projects dealing with individual faiths, it seemed to me that we might be better able to improve some saints articles by letting members of the appropriate project more easily see that someone is honored in their specific church, and, possibly, helping improve that article on the basis. I personally would love to find out if there is some group out there (other than stub sorting) who specifically works on trying to clarify some of the stranger categorizations, but somehow doubt there is one or doubt they have sufficient manpower for the task. Also, personally, I only joined the project after I had started to create some of the missing articles from the Catholic Encyclopedia, so my apologies if I took too arrogant or condescending of a tone earlier. Like I said, I'm kind of new here and am frankly stunned by the complexity and convolutions of categorization here. John Carter 22:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's okay. I understand how frustrating it can be when you have a vision of how a categorisation system should work and then someone comes in and disrupts it. It's happened to me. Categorisation can get horrendously complex sometimes, frequently far too complex with too many unnecessary categories which just confuse things. Keep up the good work. -- Necrothesp 00:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- If you had done work on the categories before, as you had stated, I thank you for it. I have just recently started trying to sort them out for the articles list, and have noticed myself how somewhat disjointed they have become. I am now trying to sort them out so that they become a bit more coherent, leaving all the categories of Catholic saints as subsections of the Category:Catholic saints, and so on. Also, eventually, I am hoping to try to create article lists for each of the categories, particularly the bigger ones, so that people can avoid going through several pages of category to find specific names. Unfortunately, I acknowledge that some of the categorization, including some I have done, is still somewhat random, and am working on it. However, given the proliferation of projects dealing with individual faiths, it seemed to me that we might be better able to improve some saints articles by letting members of the appropriate project more easily see that someone is honored in their specific church, and, possibly, helping improve that article on the basis. I personally would love to find out if there is some group out there (other than stub sorting) who specifically works on trying to clarify some of the stranger categorizations, but somehow doubt there is one or doubt they have sufficient manpower for the task. Also, personally, I only joined the project after I had started to create some of the missing articles from the Catholic Encyclopedia, so my apologies if I took too arrogant or condescending of a tone earlier. Like I said, I'm kind of new here and am frankly stunned by the complexity and convolutions of categorization here. John Carter 22:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I merely tried to fix something that I found utterly confusing. I did a considerable amount of work on categorisation of saints some time ago, but have been otherwise occupied since and haven't looked at it. When I came back to it today (not particularly intentionally, but by following a link) I was frankly shocked at how disjointed and confused the categorisation had become. If you're in the process of sorting it out then I'll leave you to it, but please don't bite someone just because they're not involved in a particular project and remember that editing rights on topics are not restricted to members of said projects. -- Necrothesp 22:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- You're right about the flawed nature of the current categorization. However, the previous categorization structure was just as unconnected as the current one is over-connected. I am in the process of constructing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints/Articles list which can be used as the basis for using a function to check on all of the changes in the any of the articles on the list, which will thus be able to focus greater attention on those articles, particularly when it comes to reverting vandalism. As soon as I finish adding the individuals included in the Lutheran calendar of saints to the Lutheran saints list, I will work to revise and clarify the entire categorization structure of the Category:Christian saints. While your comments are accurate, I think the day or two until the categorization is resolved is probably less of a problem than the previous disconnection of all the categories. And, if you want to fix categorization, there are bigger concerns out there. I note someone has already indicated that all of the Category:Jainism is a second or third-generation subcategory of Category:Jesus, which is frankly ludicrous. Maybe you could expend some of your effort in some of those completely inexcusable gaffes, rather than trying to micromanage well-intentioned works in progress as soon as they're started. John Carter 20:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)