Talk:Adam Maraana

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Maraana in 2024

• ... that Adam Maraana (pictured), who is an Arab-Israeli, will compete in swimming for Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics?

• Source: Arab-Israeli swimmer becomes first athlete in 48 years to represent Israel at Olympics

• Reviewed: Ravenswood standing stone
• Comment: Nominating this on behalf of an IP editor, who will (as usual) provide the QPQ. ALT0 may seem mundane, but it's not usual for Arab-Israelis to compete for Israel at the Olympics. Neither is it well known that many Israeli citizens are Arabs.

• My preference would be for this hook to run on 28 July, when the heats and semifinals in 100 m backstroke will be held. Problem is that we have three Olympic hooks for that date already. Given that he's quite good, there is a chance that he'll make the final on 29 July. Hence let's take the gamble and go for that day.

• Dumelow has approved the draft article. Do you also want to do the review, given that you are now familiar with the content?

Created by Schwede66 (talk) and 2603:7000:2101:AA00:1C0D:29BD:F02A:DC84 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 148 past nominations.

Schwede66 05:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC).

• Hi, thanks for the offer but think it best that someone else review it for DYK, another set of eyes on an article is always valuable - Dumelow (talk) 06:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

• I like ALT0. In the event that the following is preferred, however, I offer it for consideration as ALT1:

• ALT1 ... that Adam Maraana (pictured), an Arab-Israeli who will compete in swimming for Israel at the 2024 Paris Olympics, cried on the podium when he heard the Israeli national anthem?

• Source:"And when you stand on the podium and hear the national anthem, how do you feel? "When I stood up, tears fell from my eyes. At the multi-nation competition where I was first on the podium, I took the flag and held it tight, I sang the national anthem with pride and said it was the craziest moment in my life"

As to timing, I would suggest running it on 27 July, if we cannot do so on 28 July, as that provides certainty that readers can see it before he competes. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C039:9FFC:332E:C66 (talk) 12:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This is supposed to be promoted soon, so it would be good if someone could take on the review. Schwede66 08:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Once approved, please place this nomination in the Olympics: Special occasion holding area

Accuracy of "arab-israeli"

His mother is Jewish, so he is Jewish. So really, he does not belong to the group known as "Arab citizens of Israel". I will remove the wikilink. DMH223344 (talk) 17:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@DMH223344 don't do that - I can see already from the titles of the cited sources that he is described in multiple of them as an Arab Israeli. I think adding Jewish as a qualifier would make sense, but most of all we should follow how reliable sources describe him (and potentially how he describes himself if he's clarified this). Samuelshraga (talk) 18:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Samuel, "Arab citizens of Israel" describes a very specific group which by definition excludes any individual who is Jewish. DMH223344 (talk) 18:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

A specific meaning for whom? If the state bureaucracy, at least part of it clearly recognises him as Arab (he was offered exemption from military service on that basis). Society? Here we have examples of journalists who describe him as Arab.

I would say Arab citizens of Israel is a group with edge cases, and this seems like one of them. I don't offer a comprehensive definition of the term "Arab citizens of Israel", although reading the wiki article, I don't think it's self evident that he's not a member of this group as defined there - but per Wikipedia:NOTSOURCE, that's irrelevant. We should follow the sources in how we describe him, and I see sources that describe him as an Arab citizen of Israel. Samuelshraga (talk) 18:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

There is one english language source (JNS) cited here that describes him as an "Arab swimmer" and "Israeli Arab" and lastly as an "Arab citizen". The two Haaretz articles describe him (same author on both) as "Israeli Arab Jewish" in one article a "Palestinian citizen of Israel" in another article. Literally no other of the english language sources even mentions citizenship. DMH223344 (talk) 19:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how you're not proving the point. He's described in reliable sources as Arab, and as a citizen of Israel, and so we shouldn't occlude that he is either or both of these things. Of course we shouldn't occlude his Jewishness either. But if you want the phrase "Arab citizen of Israel", you'll find it here. Samuelshraga (talk) 05:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

He’s also Muslim because his dad’s Muslim.[1] Wafflefrites (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Your point? DMH223344 (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

My point is that if he’s being described as Jewish because of his mother, then he should also be described as Muslim because of his father. Wafflefrites (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Except there is no category known as "muslim national" in Israel... But of course there is a notion of "Jewish national". Also, that article does not describe Adam as muslim, but of course many of the cited sources here do describe him as Jewish. DMH223344 (talk) 20:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I’ve checked all the English sources used. Only Haaretz described him as Jewish. In fact, most of the sources don’t even contain the word “Jewish”. Wafflefrites (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Also in the Wikipedia article, he says he was draft exempt. Arab citizens of Israel are draft exempt, but Jewish nationals are not. Wafflefrites (talk) 20:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)