Draft talk:John E. Turrentine

Famous

Good editors on Wikipedia avoid using the word "famous" because it's not really an accurate description of what Wikipedia is for. But it's a much better description than some would like to admit.

My advice is unofficial and you can ignore me if you want to.

You have done a pretty good job so far of showing things that Turrentine has done, except that the religion article he wrote needs to be cut out of his medical career, and maybe cut from this article. I'm not sure about that. (We don't interrupt Einstein's scientific work to talk about his violin playing. The violin is in a different little section, or maybe it's not even there, because he was not big in the violin world.)

But you haven't done a good job yet of showing that he is already famous. We need to see that he is ALREADY famous, not just that he did good work and deserves to be famous. People who are not already famous don't get a Wikipedia article. That sounds harsh and maybe unfair, but it's pretty much true.

Being mentioned in obscure medical journals is not being famous. Maybe having a long article published about their work in The Lancet or other publications extremely well known to the public is getting there.

There is no rule about "how famous do they need to be". There is no way to guarantee good results. But you can certainly try. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

"Notability"

This is a major word on Wikipedia. They would criticize me for saying this, but basically it's just fame.

How do we know?

1. Not friends and family

2. Not colleagues or business associates

3. Not just local

(If you are friend, family, colleague, or business associate of Turrentine, please drop this article and don't ever touch it again unless someone makes horrible false accusations against him. Having friends and family edit articles is a terrible political mess that it's better to just not get into.)

Think of bands. How do you spot a non-famous band? They're only known to locals plus friends and family. How do you spot a very famous band? The covers of popular magazines, worldwide recognition, million-selling recordings.

We are not going to see Turrentine on the cover of Rolling Stone, but we want to see how he is recognized away from his people and away from his home base. TooManyFingers (talk) 06:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)