Talk:Tornado outbreak sequence of June 14–19, 2023

About the Derecho

Was there any confirmed derecho events in the deep south? And also what was the actual prominence. I know some storms became close, however the overall increase of low-level shear stopped significant long term winds from upscaling. Wikiwillz (talk) 04:26, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Name change

Change the name to tornado outbreak of June 14-16, 2023 Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 23:52, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion

I think you should make this about the tornadoes, a derecho was never confirmed, talking about the 6 EF2, and 1 EF3 tornadoes. Also talk about the Florida flash flooding in a Non tornadic effects section. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 00:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Go to list of tornadoes in June 2023 page for updated information

The information on this draft page is outdated Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 01:21, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright, so there have been 31 confirmed tornadoes, 8 EF2 and 1 EF3, so definitely make this a tornado page and completely revise it. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 02:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

We have a possible derecho from June 17

A derecho like system in Kansas and Oklahoma June 17. We also nedd a revise and overhaul of this page. 2603:80A0:1100:1380:D82C:8ED0:A538:F73D (talk) 04:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:2023 Tulsa, Oklahoma derecho will be the page for the derecho event. VisiblityGale (talk) 05:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add more to the page

Dont just copy information from other Wikipedia articles 2600:1014:B1E0:48EA:0:2E:CE16:D501 (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Perryton tornado section

add a section about about the Perryton EF3. Make it like the normal ones found on tornado outbreak pages. 2600:1014:B138:B784:0:E:7360:5F01 (talk) 16:52, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the WikiProject has cut back on making such sections, and one cannot be made until it outgrows the table. --100.33.244.26 (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Merge Oklahoma derecho?

Should we merge the Oklahoma derecho for a tornado outbreak sequence? A lot more information would need to be added.104.246.113.199 (talk) 15:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but the page name will be renamed to “severe weather sequence of June 14-18, 2023” Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Or “Tornado outbreak sequence of June 14-18, 2023”. 104.246.113.199 (talk) 17:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 17:53, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Update page

The page is now 14-19. We need the updated information for the 17-19, and anything that was changed from the 14-16. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 20:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yep, I’ll be working on doing that in the next couple days, feel free to update too! Tails Wx 20:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Perryton and Louin

The Perryton and Louin are both EF3. Perryton is 140 MPH, while Louin is 150 MPH. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 03:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Breaking news

There article has been submitted and approved Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 15:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Sequence?

I know @ChessEric is pretty knowledgeable on synoptic scale stuff. Is this not a sequence? These tornadoes mainly occurred from shortwaves of a greater pattern shift across the US. Currently it's just an outbreak. Wikiwillz (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah this was a sequence. I will move it later tonight.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 01:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

What TI12 said. ChessEric 17:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Tuscaloosa County damage

@ChessEric, TornadoInformation12, and Wikiwillz: Probably wouldn't hurt to add the wind damage surveyed by BMX (released in a PNS) to the non-tornadic effects section. It made a lot of news in Birmingham and some of the area had power outages lasting several days due extensive tree and power line damage. United States Man (talk) 03:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree, would definitely refer better to media coverage of the overall event as well. I can start finding sources. Wikiwillz (talk) 04:27, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Please do. We can't forget those events. ChessEric 17:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

June 21

Can we add the tornadoes from June 21 to here? Catusfatusoldus (talk) 14:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Outbreak sequence length.

@Wxtrackercody I'm going to need you to explain "Canada severe is geographically different." A sequence does not have to be from the same system and we have made sequence articles from differing systems in the past. Remember that we should give equal weight here to Canada as the United States per WP:NPOV. Wikiwillz (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Reply to Wikiwillz 2600:1014:B1AF:B2FC:0:1E:B74D:E701 (talk) 19:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Wikiwillz: Tornado outbreaks by definition occur over the same geographic location. The Canada tornado did not occur in the same geographic location as the areas affected by the 14-19 event (Southern U.S.), so it doesn't count toward extending the sequence. Also, tornado outbreak sequences only allow one day without significant tornado activity. The 19th only had 3 tornadoes (which does not qualify as an outbreak), ending the sequence on that day, particularly since the 20th did not have any tornado activity at all in the US. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 19:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

The tornadoes in Canada are literally in the same geographic region. It's the reason that region of Canada gets tornadoes. There were also tornadoes in North Dakota on the 20th, so it's politically in the United States as well. Furthermore outbreak sequences do not require consecutive outbreaks or else they would be their own articles. The entire point is that it was multiple tornado events in succession. I'd like more opinions on this, as it should be more of a "what's best for the article" situation instead of semantics, but you're incorrect. Wikiwillz (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Canada is not remotely close to the Southern U.S. geographically. They are completely different areas. Neither the 19th nor the 20th constitute tornado outbreaks. Tornado outbreak sequences do require very little down time between outbreaks. By your argument, as long as there's a single tornado occurring somewhere in the United States each day, then there's a never-ending tornado outbreak sequence. That is far too broad. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 23:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

The current outbreak sequence was not situated in just the south. It spanned across the entire United States, tornado reports and warnings reached north Colorado and North Ohio. They are related in that they're all caused by the same pattern shift and wind convergence intensification, it would be silly to try to link them by system strictly; as they're all from shortwave perturbations. My argument is not in support of them being in succession alone, but by their meteorological significance. If you would like to draw a clear distinction between the systems instead of the reprieve between tornadic events, you need to do that... otherwise the article has vague margins and will just confuse readers. Wikiwillz (talk) 23:42, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I think you should defer to experience @Wikiwillz. I agree with Cody in this situation. United States Man (talk) 01:53, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I would if there was a proposed solution to the issue. The article and it's parents currently are very confusing. Wikiwillz (talk) 03:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what is confusing. The period of elevated activity ended on the 19th. Tornadoes happen nearly every day in June, which is covered by the monthly list page. Perhaps with more experience you won't be quite as confused. United States Man (talk) 03:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Haha, I appreciate the suggestion, even if it's giving ad hominem. What's the threshold for "elevated activity?" My worry is on the particular line that's drawn. First I was told it was geographic but that's not true. There is a point to be made within the branch of meteorology that the occurrence of the tornadoes from 19th-22nd did happen, and were related synoptically. Wikiwillz (talk) 04:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Wikiwillz: The Colorado/Ohio tornado activity you mentioned for the 14th-19th occurred earlier in the outbreak sequence, not on the 19th-20th. The primary activity for 18-19 shifted towards the Gulf Coast. While scattered severe weather continued over a broad area of the continent, there was a clear shift to a new system that moved out of the Rockies on the 19th. The possible tornadoes in Manitoba and North Dakota (the latter of which doesn't appear to be reported/confirmed as far as I can tell) would align with that new system rather than the stalled out front in the South. In the context of a tornado outbreak sequence, a two day lull in activity (<6 tornadoes, the rough bar for a "tornado outbreak") would end the sequence. Severe weather without tornadoes would not link any events. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 14:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the explanation. I looked over the WVI and you're right, there's a much larger distinction than I originally thought. Sorry for stringing you guys on, I just wanted to be sure. Wikiwillz (talk) 16:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Um why did my suggestion get reversed

I said we should add the Matador tornado to this page so we don’t have to create a separate article. Catusfatusoldus (talk) 20:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Create new page

We have had tornadoes on the 21 and 22, and that will likely continue. Should we create a new page? Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 14:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

No. United States Man (talk) 19:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Tornadoesarecool13 (talk) 20:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

What TAR13 said. XD ChessEric 05:55, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Page

I feel like the page doesn’t feel in place like some of the others from this year. Tornadoesarecool13 (talk) 01:10, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Merge with 20-26

It’s been suggested that this page should be merged with the 20-26. What is everyones opinion on this? Tornadoesarecool13 (talk) 16:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)