Help talk:Sortable tables

Discussion at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests § Sortkeys in lists

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests § Sortkeys in lists. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Sort under template

Resolved

I created the {{sort under}} template to reposition the sorting arrows under the text without the issues that come with adding sorting buttons in a separate row. Please review and mention any issues on its talk page. Jroberson108 (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Comments are requested there specifically concerning whether the default class=sort-under should be centered sorting icons or right-aligned sorting icons. Or even left-aligned ones. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:46, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

For those who are interested. Someone at the technical Village Pump suggested going to this MOS discussion page since it is a style discussion, and not a technical problem. See:

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Tables#Template:Sort under

--Timeshifter (talk) 14:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

sorting strictly alphabetically - impossible?

see Help:Sortable tables#Forcing a column to have a particular data type: data-sort-type=text uses alphabetical sorting of text, but numbers are sorted numerically within that alphabetical sorting.
Isn't there any possibility to get a column sorted strictly alphabetically instead of Natural sort order, so 0R11 before 0R9 ?
Many thanks, Aspiriniks (talk) 11:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
P.S. I see there was a related discussion one year ago at Help_talk:Sortable_tables/Archive_4#data-sort-type=text_doesn't_seem_to_work_properly - any news since then? -- Aspiriniks (talk) 11:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aspiriniks: You might want to ask at WP:VPT or WP:Phabricator. --Timeshifter (talk) 14:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aspiriniks: You'll need to adjust the cell's sort value to get the desired order. For "0R9", change it to | data-sort-value=0R90 | 0R9 to sort as: 0R11, 0R12, 0R9. A similar sort value would be needed for any other cell values that aren't four characters long. Jroberson108 (talk) 04:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorting titles, some with appended text

Hello, regarding List of cult films: K, it seems like the listings The Killer and The Killing, both which neighbor listings that have longer titles starting with Killer or Killing, wind up at the bottom of each respective group when sorting alphabetically, when they should come first, having nothing after that keyword. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a way to fix it? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I guess I fixed it by adding two spaces after each title, but this feels like too much of a hack. Is there a proper way to do this? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

No idea. Maybe ask at {{sortname}} too. --Timeshifter (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I considered that, but it redirects to Template talk:Sort, which does not seem very active. Other suggestions for places to ask would be great. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Maybe WP:VPT. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorting rowspan groups with sortbottom

Sorting the following table with class=sortbottom for the bottom 2 rows removes the blank rows, displaying thusly. Qwerty284651 (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The rowspan number was wrong. I temporarily added {{static row numbers}} to see that. Also, I added dashes in the blank spots in the bottom 2 rows. Both changes were needed to fix the problem. See diff.

An easier solution is to eliminate the blank columns. And list those years above the table. It would also make the table narrower. --Timeshifter (talk) 06:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the alternative I had with removing the years and adding a note above the table about the skipped years. Btw, why does static row display blank without bgcolor? Qwerty284651 (talk) 12:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Year in date-sorted table

I just created Template:Year in date-sorted table as the inverse of Template:Date table sorting. I welcome input if there are better solutions to achieve the same goal, additional features that would be useful, and or suggestions for a more descriptive template name. Daask (talk) 20:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

You might get more discussion at Help talk:Table or WP:VPT. I am not really into this now. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)