Talk:Áine/Archive 1

Archive 1

diacritics

• The article should be moved to Áine because diacritics are now supported in article names. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 09:00, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose Philip Baird Shearer 11:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• Support. No reason not to. The Singing Badger 12:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC).
• Support. Moving it would create a redirect page, so entering the name without diacritics would find the right page anyway. --Nicknack009 13:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• Support — the correct spelling should be used, and ASCII limitations overcome! --Gareth Hughes 19:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
• yes i agree: more appropriate goidelic orthography should be used if possible for all theonyms GeoffMGleadall 23:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Vote moved from bottom of talk page. -Sean Curtin 04:16, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Usage without diacritics is only more common because the average person is either unaware of how to implement diacritics or is simply too lazy to do so. -Sean Curtin 04:16, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

The correct spelling should be used, and ASCII limitations overcome! --Gareth Hughes 19:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

WP:UE "Only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form". The use of diacritic is neither correct or incorrect in English, so the judgement should be made on the more commonly used in English. Philip Baird Shearer 11:42, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Do you have any evidence that Aine is more commonly used in English than Áine? Or that Aine is an "anglicized form" at all, as opposed to a form used when diacritics are typographically unavailable? --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 11:45, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

With regard to Irish literature I have never seen this name spelt Aine, always Áine. Theother place I havecome across it is as a woman's name: it is reasonably popular in Ireland, and occassionally appears elsewhere. However, it is not so popular as to have adopted the anglicised spelling Aine, and, once again, I've only ever seen Áine. Please see Irish phonology to see that the difference is significant. --Gareth Hughes 12:12, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

It is usual that as a word is absorbed into English that it looses its diacritic s if it has any in its native language, so the "anglicized form" is without diacritics (if not the second most seniour rank in tha army would be "général" and we would still be staying in "hôtels"). Using www.google.co.uk with the "English only" option set by default:

• about 24 English pages for Áine -Aine goddess -wikipedia site:.ie
• about 61 English pages for Aine -Áine goddess -wikipedia site:.ie
• about 831 English pages for Áine -Aine goddess -wikipedia
• about 9,220 English pages for Aine -Áine goddess -wikipedia.

While Google includes lots of blog sites it would seem that outside Ireland the ratio is largly in favour of "Aine". If it were only the Irish pages I think one could argue that three to one on a sample of a few score pages is much to small, but when it is close to 10,000 pages it is a reasonable sample. --Philip Baird Shearer 17:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Well then, we either go for what is popular or for what is the correct Irish spelling. Of course, if this were MissWikiWorld, we would go for the former. However, as this is supposed to be an encyclopaedia, let's go for the correct spelling. Doing so in this case would not be idiosyncratic, and it wouldn't make the page more difficult to find. After all the Google test is a test for popularity, and it is used far too often on these name squabbles. --Gareth Hughes 18:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Sigh! To repeat myself: WP:UE "Only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form". The use of diacritic is neither correct or incorrect in English, so the judgement should be made on the more commonly used in English. Philip Baird Shearer 09:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I have moved the page, as there seems to be a consensus (6-to-1 in favour). Eugene van der Pijll 17:38, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Luna or Solar?

My sources, in particular Mythology of the Celtic Peoples, tell me that Aine is a luna goddess, not solar? So which is it?

Have found other good sources that also site her as being a Luna not a Solar goddess - Darakat

I don't think either. From the few 1° sources I have seen she is more a love/lust 'goddess' and the radiant/splender aspect of her name refers to her personally.

This article could be greatly improved by providing references to primary sources, in other words in what tales does she appear. She should also be differentiated from the Áine of the Fenian cycle - Kernos

Agreed, primary sources could help the verdant researcher, I could add a few but haven't got time right at the moment. - Darakat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.248.152 (talk) 10:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Etymology

I've cut the etymology section altogether. User:GeoffMGleadall imposed a large number of his fanciful etymologies on Wikipedia a long time ago. Some of them can be accepted as uncontroversial; but most are original research, and of these some fact can be teased out, but others are purely nonsense. Áine's would-be etymology is an example of the latter. None of GeoffMGleadall's sources support (a) his contention that Áine comes from PC *aidnā, which in any case is impossible, or (b) his claim that *aidnā means 'radiant', or (c) his forced parallels with Rosmerta et al. All in all, Wikipedia will be a happier project without this nonsense. Solidarity, Q·L·1968 ☿ 23:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for cleaning this stuff up. I think he put impenetrable, mind-numbing and dubious etymolgy into A LOT of Celtic articles. I cut most or all of what I found, but I think there's still some floating around. We should definitely clear that stuff out. - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 00:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

[ˈaːn'ə] or [ˈaːnjə]? If it's roughly pronounced "on-yah" or "awn-yah" (as stated on the page "Aine (given name)"), then the pronunciation should be changed from the first transctiption to the second transcription. Also this change is supported by the recording of pronunciation from the site PronounceNames.com (although this is not a reliable source, and doesn't guarantee the correctness of pronunciation): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uuRZ-7KF_8 85.140.2.209 (talk) 17:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)A.