Talk:ČZ vz. 27

Shouldn't it be "Modell 27" instead?

My CZ 27's mostly have a "Modell 27" instead of a Vz 27. Why isn't it listed under the common name of CZ 27 instead?--Asams10 20:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

As it says in the article, "vzor" is Czech for "model" and is its military designation. They were never sold by CZ commercially as a "CZ 27" even though they are commonly known by this incorrect name. BroadArrow 10:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, call me dense, but if "Vzor" is Czech for "Model", then why does the side of the darned pistol say "Modell" instead of "Vzor?"--Asams10 15:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

"Modell" is "model" in German, not Czech. Most likely your Vz 27 was made for a German-speaking country and labelled in German. In any case, "Modell" doesn't mean anything in Czech so it wouldn't be part of the Czech name of the pistol. Perhaps the 5,500 surplus Vz 27s sold to the Swiss were remarked in German? Or maybe it was some other contract we don't know about? BroadArrow 09:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

When were the contracts for the pistols sold to Poland, Brazil, Venezuela etc... were they post-war or pre-war? Do you have a complete list of exports of this weapon, including quantities and dates? Thanks, SASH155 (talk) 03:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)SASH155, W. Thomas, Alex. VA

Labeling of image in article

I noticed an anonymous user had placed the following text above the lead of the article: "Image is NOT a CZ-27 but rather a CZ-24. CZ-27 and CZ-24 look similar but slide serrations on CZ-27 are vertical and on CZ-24 slide serrations are slanted."

I deleted this text because I am not able to determine whether the user's claims about the image are accurate and in any event it does not belong in the body of the article, much less above the lead. However, a cursory comparison of available images of CZ vz. 24 and CZ vz. 27 pistols indicates the image in this article may indeed be a vz. 24 rather than a vz. 27. It would be helpful if someone with access to an authoritative source on these firearms could either confirm whether the image is indeed a vz. 27. Agharo (talk) 22:12, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

CZ-24 has five serrations, CZ-27 has only four.

Pre-WW2 CZ-27 have "sloped" serrations (and wooden grips), wartime (and post war) production has vertical ones + plastic grips.

Speculation: the weapon pictured is probably CZ-24, assembled/repaired using CZ-27 grips.

It is possible, though pretty rare, to find pre-WW2 version of CZ-27 for sale from time to time and their appearace confirms the above.

Source:

A.B.Žuk (A.Б.Жук) Revolvery a Pistole, Naše Vojsko 1988. It is a czech translation from russian edition of 1983, the parts regarding czechoslovak guns were carefully checked (and corrected, if necessary) by czech redaction, as it was at the time the only publicly available source regarding this topic in Czechoslovakia.

Newer edition of this book is still available in czech language: https://www.nasevojsko.eu/nasevojsko/eshop/0/0/5/4813-REVOLVERY-PISTOLE 89.24.33.231 (talk) 06:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

9mm model used by Nazi officers

A relative brought back a souvenir CZ-27 from Normandy. It was definitely a 9mm Parabellum (9x19). I also saw a number of used WW2 models for sale in a gunstore, all also 9mm. Shouldn't this calibre be listed in the article? SmarterAlec (talk) 01:41, 2 July 2022 (UTC)