Talk:Šárka

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Šárka. Favonian (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Šárka (disambiguation) → Šárka – There is no primary usage for the word, so the dab page should be at the base name. PamD 23:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: To be honest it looks to me as if the mythical heroine is actually the primary usage, but the article which used to be at her name has been refashioned so that she appears as a character in a tale, The Maidens' War. There are a set of incoming links to Šárka which seem now to have no obvious destination (and which were not updated when the page was moved). But for now, the dab page ought to be at the base name, as there is no article on the heroine at that title. An alternative approach would be to have Šárka redirect to The Maidens' War, with a hatnote there directing to the (name) and the (disambiguation) pages. (There are plenty of instances where the primary usage of a name is not the title of the article, eg HP) PamD 00:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Why should the heroine be the primary use? As a native Czech, I surely do not feel it that way. Šárka is a female name, not quite rare in our republic. As there are many tens of thousands fictional characters in various films, poems and books, there are probably hundreds of fictional Šárkas. The heroine may be the most prominent of them, but why should it be more primary than the name itself?

I hesitate whether the name deserves its own article or should be merged into the disambig page (which should not contain "Šárka" in brackets - how is this part of article name part called, please - a "discerner"? "discriminant"?)--Pavel Jelínek (talk) 10:26, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, now I have noticed some changes made. OK, let the name have its own article. Now only admins can swap pages "Šárka (disambiguation)" and "Šárka". So is there anything else what I should do? Maybe I will look at the incoming links and change them. --Pavel Jelínek (talk) 10:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• A given name is often not the "Primary usage" in the Wikipedia sense, of a word. Look at John, one of the most common English given names, or Pamela. As there are two operas using this title, we cannot say that the given name "... is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." (from WP:PRIMARYTOPIC), and quite likely the heroine is not either. And yes, as the editor who moved the article which was previously at Šárka, it is your responsibility to tidy up after that move by making sure the links to that article now point to useful articles and not to a name page or a disambiguation page. PamD 11:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

You made a point, I did not realize that the name may have originated from the legend. I agree that there is no primary meaning.

I understand that I have a responsibility to tidy up, but is it my duty? I think that the benefit from my edits clearly outweights the trouble that someone will have to make one more click from the disambig. page. Am I wrong here? But I will correct the links in the main namespace. --Pavel Jelínek (talk) 12:22, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I have corrected all links to "Šárka" in all namespaces except for

• Archived discussions (similar pages like and bot output)
• Move requests
• Pages where ctrl+F did not find "[Šárka" - such as Wikipedia:Dashboard
• Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics/39 - not clear.
• User pages and talk pages

Is this unwikification OK? There were several such links, and similarly to Vlasta, which is also a Czech first name.

May I consider the situation settled? --Pavel Jelínek (talk) 12:57, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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