Talk:Żebbuġ

Creating page. Falphin 00:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Żebbuġ, Malta

"Malta" implies the country, not the island (which is part of the country). As Żebbuġ, Gozo is also in Malta (though not on Malta Island), this title is still ambiguous. I'm moving it to Żebbuġ, Malta Island. --Theurgist (talk) 08:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 14 September 2014

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The result of the move request was: moved to Żebbuġ. Number 57 19:28, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Żebbuġ, Malta Island → Ħaż-Żebbuġ – The term "Malta Island" is very rarely used. It would be better if the article is renamed "Ħaż-Żebbuġ" or back to "Żebbuġ, Malta" as it was before. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 15:06, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Question 08:41, 11 August 2014‎ User:Theurgist moved page Żebbuġ, Malta to Żebbuġ, Malta Island: -- what was the logic? In ictu oculi (talk) 23:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
• Move to Żebbuġ. WP:COMMONNAME and "Malta Island" is not generally used. Yes, there's a village of the same name on Gozo, which is also part of the country of Malta, but the town on Malta itself is considerably larger and I think the Żebbuġ, Gozo disambiguator on the Gozo village and a hatnote on the Malta town is perfectly sufficient to make it clear which is which. Per WP:TWODABS we don't need a disambiguation page for these. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
• Answer to In ictu oculi: I explained my logic on this talk page, in the section above, upon moving. To put it once again: "Malta" rather implies the Republic of Malta than the island of Malta. So "Żebbuġ, Malta" would usually imply that this is a Żebbuġ in the Republic of Malta as opposed to a Żebbuġ in some other country. But the other Żebbuġ, too, is in the Republic of Malta, even though it's on an island other than the island of Malta, the latter being just one of the several islands that the Republic of Malta consist of. I changed the disambiguator from "Malta" to "Malta Island" as the latter unambiguously refers to the island, like the disambiguator of "Żebbuġ, Gozo" does. I'm open to other suggestions, though. --Theurgist (talk) 02:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, actually not unreasonable. If two settlements exist then this is a reasonable solution. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

How about the page is moved to "Ħaż-Żebbuġ"? The term is used in the official web page at LC.gov.mt as well as the website of the local council, and the village on Gozo is never referred to as "Ħaż-Żebbuġ". The term "Malta Island" is never used, at least here in Malta. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 15:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

There is some material of relevance at Template talk:Local councils of Malta and Gozo#Prefixes in place names. --Theurgist (talk) 02:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that link. I just moved the pages of Ħal Kirkop to Kirkop, Ħal Safi, Malta to Safi, Malta and Iż-Żejtun to Żejtun to comply with those guidelines. However I still disagree with the term "Malta Island", simply because it is not used (similarly "Gozo" is usually used instead of "Gozo Island", or "Comino" instead of "Comino Island"). How about a move to Żebbuġ with a note re Żebbuġ, Gozo at the top like Necrothesp suggested, as has been done with Mġarr and Mġarr, Gozo? Xwejnusgozo (talk) 03:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

we say gzira witch means island 46.11.112.218 (talk) 15:52, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Żebbuġ per User:Necrothesp, i.e. per WP:TWODABS, and delete the dab page. —  AjaxSmack  03:25, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

• Agree on Żebbuġ. By the way, how do the Anglophone Maltese people refer to the island, as opposed to the country, if they don't use "Malta Island"? --Theurgist (talk) 14:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, how can the page actually be moved as I don't know how? Xwejnusgozo (talk) 09:43, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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"Notable people" section

While discussed briefly on my user talk page and Jonathan.Magri's user talk page, as this is a discussion about this article's content (rather than editing practice), I am opening this thread to discuss the "notable people" section. In short, my understanding of the CITSTRUCT guidelines (for "notable people" sections) is that members of a "notable people" section should demonstrably and verifiably meet the project's guidelines for "notable people". With, specifically, the most consistent criteria (for members of a "notable people" section) being that the members of the list should have articles about them. Otherwise, without an article or a reference or some other means of verifying notability, what is to stop hoax entries or non-notable entries or contributors otherwise adding themselves to such a list. I am happy to discuss it here, but I do not see how adding uncited and unverifiable entries aligns with the applicable content policies. Thoughts welcome. Guliolopez (talk) 11:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

With reference to my recent change in the 'Haz-Zebbug' page, in the section for 'Notable people'.

 

The reason I didn't include a citation/resource is because I am a resident in Haz-Zebbug (it is my hometown too) and I am very aware of the village's history and of its fellow villagers that made history. Believe me, the information that I submitted is correct and true.

 

If you want to enchance this page, send me your email so I can send you more information. I have magazines, articles published by the village local council, and local band clubs.

Regards Jonathan Jonathan.Magri (talk) 11:59, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan.Magri. Thank you for your note and engagement here. As previously mentioned on my own user talk page, in terms of your suggestion that:

• "I know it is correct", I would point you again to the policies on verifiability and the "But I know it is true" essay. In short, it is not enough to say "I know it is true (trust me)". Others need to be able to verify sources.
• "I can email you proof", I would point you again to the policies on reliable sources and verification. In short, it is not enough to say "I can email proof to any editor or reader who asks for it". Others need to be able to verify sources themselves. Published sources (rather than "sources I have but nobody else has") are preferred.

Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 14:40, 5 November 2020 (UTC)