Talk:(Do You Wanna Date My) Avatar

Notability?

You're kidding, right? This song already has over 1.6 million views on YouTube and massive downloads from iTunes. You really want to kill this article before it gets off the ground? GoldThong (talk) 15:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Wolfer68 (talk · contribs) is referring to the English Wikipedia Notability guideline, not the song's general noteworthiness, the former of which requires evidence of having received "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject". I personally think it can meet this standard, but in the article's current state, I can see the possibility for concern. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 15:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright. Understandable. I'm sure contributors will help add to the article to build its credability. GoldThong (talk) 18:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

This song is, at best, an advertisement. It is not notable as it is not featured in mass media, also it is not notable as it was popular for two three days, August 17-19, then dropped in popularity. Do we feature 30 second commercials for McDonalds, or Old Navy, or Coca Cola on Wikipedia? I do not believe a commercial is noteworthy to be featured on Wikipedia. Erpbridge (talk)

Additionally, from the notability guidelines page: "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable"

In this case, this was a one-off promo-only music single for a web video show, in which none of the principle singers in this song are considered notable musicians or a notable music ensemble. Erpbridge (talk) 10:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the notability derives from it being a non-label song to top iTunes charts internationally, and I think if you're patient more news and reviews will come in to strengthen the article. There is also some chronology with Dr. Horrible and Commentary! The Musical! which would count Day as a young musician, not to mention its mark as a moment in the Jed and Maurissa Whedon's careers. It's a genuine single, as well, despite its lack of physical hard copies... this only enhances the notability, as it has all been created off of a label.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The song and video have been the subject of commentary by notable independent news sources like BBC News, Entertainment Weekly, and Tubefilter News. That seems quite sufficient to satisfy the GNG. Hqb (talk) 13:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Due to recent additions of secondary sources, I think this song is notable enough to go on the wiki. As for Erpbridge's arguments against advertisements, see: Get a Mac, 1984 (advertisement), I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony), From Where You Are (Lifehouse song), Category:Television_commercials. In short, yes some ads are notable. Oldag07 (talk) 01:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Moreover, Felicia Day, is a notable person, hence a notable musician. Oldag07 (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Since no rebuttal has been made, I think we can remove the tag. Oldag07 (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

"Intricate and clearly masterful"

A nitpick: the description of the rap as "intricate and clearly masterful" is attributed to Mark Savage, but in the article Savage uses quotes around the phrase, implying that someone else said it... but he doesn't attribute the quote to anyone (unless I'm misreading the article). A quick Google search on '"intricate and clearly masterful" Avatar' doesn't turn up any citations where the phrase isn't in quotes. Does anyone know where the quote comes from? --ScottAlanHill (talk) 13:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)