Talk:101st (Northumbrian) Regiment Royal Artillery

203 Bty Query

According to (an archived copy of) regiments.org, this bty was formed in 1967 from P (Elswick) Bty, 272 Field Regt and Q Bty, 324 Hy AD Regt. Also, Q Bty, 324 Regt was formed from 405 HAA Regt. regiments.org also says that a bty was formed at Elswick in November 1891 (as part of 1st Northumberland Volunteer Artillery, the ancestor of 1st Northumbrian Bde RFA and 72 Field Regt). This doesn't tie in with the article.

The only other info I have says that the 3rd Northumberland Bty was the Elswick Bty. From regiments.org, in 1921, this bty became 287 (3rd Northumbrian) Bty of 72 Bde RFA. In the 1939 duplication of the TA, this bty transferred as the senior bty of 124th Field Regt. On the reconstitution of the TA in 1947, shouldn't the Elswick title have been given to P Bty, 324 HAA Regt?

If anyone can shed light on this, or provide a good source of info for the Bty, I would be gratefulGlevum (talk) 23:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Minor gripes

Role

role - isn't this a noun not a verb? [So says my, admittedly old, dictionary.] So, a Regiment may change role, but can't be re(-)roled; it certainly can't be rerolled! But the way english develops, I'm sure if enough people use it, it will become a verb!

TA/TF

Quite a few sites seem to misunderstand the change. The TF was created in 1908, the TA was created in 1920.

Being very pedantic, surely you can't reform a unit in the TA unless the unit has previously been formed in the TA? [As a comparison, you can't rebuild a house that has never been built.] Of course, if you are not being specific about the actual force and use a generic, like 'territorial forces', you neatly side-step this.Glevum (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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Undiscussed article move

Hi - I am not sure why this article has been moved without discussion. We have already asked User:J-Man11 not to move regiments without discussion. The standard format on wikipedia is to to include the "st", "nd", "rd" etc. See the long list of articles at 1st Division. Also if you look Royal Artillery, even if Royal Artillery regiments are known as and are listed as "4 Regiment" etc (which they are) the articles are correctly titled "4th Regiment Royal Artillery" etc to comply with wikipedia standardisation. This was sorted out some years ago across the regiments. Dormskirk (talk) 09:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Dormskirk, SmartyPants22 J-Man11 Rickfive let's have a discussion about this. If the regiments of the Royal Artillery and Royal Signals are officially rendered as cardinals (1 Regiment) not ordinals (1st Regiment) then in line with WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME we should standardize at the cardinal (1) not ordinal (1st). Thoughts? Buckshot06 (talk) 11:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi - Tradition has it that the Royal Artillery regiments are officially rendered as cardinals but Royal Horse Artillery regiments are officially rendered as ordinals. There are a large number of regiments to move and incoming links to change (a lot of editors who make moves fail to tidy up afterwards nowadays). I am not convinced that this is a worthwhile exercise. Just my thoughts. Dormskirk (talk) 12:25, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Regardless of whether it is a “worthwhile exercise”, cardinals are correct and therefore should be changed. – SɱαɾƚყPαɳƚʂ22 (Ⓣⓐⓛⓚ) 13:35, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

As regards signals regiments, while wikipedia strives for consistency, the army itself is not consistent as to whether they use cardinals or ordinals: see 2 Signal Regiment and 13th Signal Regiment. Dormskirk (talk) 16:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I completely understand the view that SmartyPants22 expresses. When I refer to a "worthwhile exercise" I am thoughtful of the fact that there are 971 Royal Artillery Regiments on wikipedia, almost all of which are currently standardised at ordinals. The exercise would have to be properly project managed as, in order to be "correct", it would need to be undertaken for the historic regiments as well as the current ones. We have 463 articles on air defence regiments, 116 articles on field regiments, 88 on coast regiments, 55 on medium regiments etc. (see Category:Royal Artillery regiments by type). A significant number of these are just redirects at the moment but each of these would need to be considered as well in the context that while RA regiments traditionally use cardinals, RHA regiments traditionally use ordinals. And then there is all the post move clean up to do as well. Dormskirk (talk) 16:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)