Talk:116th Street–Columbia University station/GA1

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

Reviewer: Truflip99 (talk · contribs) 22:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Haven't picked up one of these in a while! Will start soon. --truflip99 (talk) 22:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• optional: Construction on the segment of the line that includes 116th Street started that same year on June 18, 1900. -- just my pref, not a fan of repeating the same year in the same paragraph
  •  Done
• The station opened on October 27, 1904, with the opening of the original 28 stations of the New York City Subway. -- a bit redundant, "along with the original 28..." sounds more concise
  •  Done
• The station's platforms were lengthened in 1948 -- why? elaborate a little
  •  Done It was to accommodate ten-car trains. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

History

• the Rapid Transit Act, signed into law in 1894. -- by whomst?
  • Is it necessary to name who signed the law? It seems incidental to this topic, and to the pages about other stations on this line. Not even the article for Early history of the IRT subway mentions it. My argument is that the fact that this law was enacted is important - but not the person who signed it. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
    • @Epicgenius: Not who, but more like which authority.
      • I see. Let me get back to you on that, after I read more about which agencies participated in the Rapid Transit Act. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
      •  Done I have added this to the article. Epicgenius (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
• The section of the West Side Line around this station was originally planned as a two-track line, but in early 1901, was changed to a three-track structure. -- why?
  •  Added
• requiring that a portion of the work be undone. -- omit
  • "requiring that portion of the work be undone" wouldn't be grammatically correct. However, "part" may work. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Sorry I guess I misread this. I read "that" as referring to the specified section. You can disregard.
• As part of the modifications for a third track -- omit, I think
  •  Done
• Operation of the first subway began on October 27, 1904, with the opening of the original 28 stations of the New York City Subway from City Hall to 145th Street on the West Side Branch including the 116th Street station. -- I would reword this sentence to shift focus to the 116th Street station
  •  Done
• thereby dividing the original "H" system. -- what's the "H" system? I don't think this was established
  •  Fixed This was a mistake. The new system was an "H" system. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
• A new entrance was constructed to the northbound platform, and the kiosk for the entrance still had to be installed in 1912. -- this sentence is out of place. Also, could you mention rather when that kiosk was installed instead of saying that it "still had to be installed"?
  •  Not done -- just waiting on this one. --truflip99 (talk) 04:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
    •  Added I have added a date on the kiosk's opening. However, I've realized that this was in conjunction with a platform extension around 1910. As of now, this info has not been mentioned in the article. If I'm correct, the northbound platform of this station would have fit ten-car express trains, while the southbound platform would have fit eight-car express trains. Which kinda contradicts the information in the point below. I've asked KG about it. Epicgenius (talk) 20:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
      • truflip99, I have also added the platform info now. Epicgenius (talk) 22:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Epicgenius Okay so I did a read thru of the first two paragraphs under 20th century. Kind of confusing -- In 1911, platforms were extended to accommodate 8-car from 6-car, after which 10-car trains began running along the line? But the platforms were only lengthened to accommodate 10-car in 1948, prior to which they could only hold 6-car?? --truflip99 (talk) 20:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
          • @Truflip99: There is some stuff that still needs to be cleared up, but prior to the 1948 platform extension, 10-car trains were operated, but not all doors could platform at the stations.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
• Basically, several things are happening:
  1. Before 1911, the platforms could only fit 6 cars.
  2. The northbound platform, after extension in 1911, could fit 8 cars. I think it could fit 10 cars if only the end doors of the first and last cars opened, but I'm not sure.
  3. The platform extensions in 1911 (at other stations) allowed 10-car express trains and 6-car local trains to be operated. Express trains were not all 10 cars long.
  4. After 1911, local trains were 6 cars long and could all open their doors at this station.
  5. After 1911, express trains were 10 cars long but not all doors could open at this station, definitely not in the southbound direction.
  6. After 1948, 10-car express trains could open all their doors at this station. Before that, only the 6-car local trains were guaranteed to fit in the station.
     • Hopefully this makes sense. Epicgenius (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

       @Truflip99: I have clarified this in the article, by the way. Epicgenius (talk) 17:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

• In 1948, platforms on the IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line from 103rd Street to 238th Street were lengthened to 514 feet (157 m) to allow full ten-car express trains to stop at this station. Previously, the station could only hold six-car local trains. The platform extensions were opened in stages. On April 6, 1948, the platform extension opened for stations from 103rd Street to Dyckman Street, with the exception of 125th Street. -- no mention of where in this was 116th Street station extended
  •  Fixed This was one of the stations included in the station group. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
• were lengthened to 514 feet -- in which direction/what way relative to the original design
  • This is mentioned in the "design" section. In my view, it's incidental to the history section, hence it's not repeated there. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
• skip-stop service, the 9 train. -- use em dash instead of comma
  •  Fixed I don't think this is a particularly serious problem, but I've used a colon. Epicgenius (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
• When skip-stop service started in 1989, skip-stop service -- redundant
  •  Fixed
• Since the 9 train was discontinued in 2005, the 1 has made all stops on the IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line. -- the way this is worded implies that the 1 did not make these stops prior. Is that true?
  • Yes. The 1 train didn't serve all stops when the 9 was in operation. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
• The New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission designated the original portion of the station -- elaborate on the "original portion"
  • This was the part of the station that opened in 1904. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
    •  Fixed Epicgenius (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
• In 2002, it was announced that 116th Street would be one of ten subway stations citywide, as well as one of five on the IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line, to receive renovations. -- any updates?
  • @Kew Gardens 613: I'll message you privately about this. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
    •  Done It looks like KG613 has added most of this information. Epicgenius (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

More later. --truflip99 (talk) 19:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

truflip99, thanks for the initial comments. Epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay! Belated Happy Holidays! Let's continue. (Although you still have two up there that you didn't comment on just fyi)

Station layout

• The platforms were originally 350 feet (110 m) long, as at other stations north of 96th Street -- maybe go with "like other stations..."
  • Hmm. The proposed wording may not be the best, only because the sentence structure may make it appear that the other stations were originally 350 feet long, when in fact it was the platforms. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
• Each platform consists of 3-inch-thick (7.6 cm) concrete slabs, beneath which are located drainage basins. -- omit "located"?
  • I will do this when I update the other station articles as well. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
    •  Done Epicgenius (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
• The ceiling is about 8 feet (2.4 m) above platform level in the southern part of the station, but is higher above the northern part. -- "while it is higher..."; also could you indicate how much higher?
  •  Added
• Two each go up to the northwest and northeast corners of Broadway and 116th Street. -- took me a while to get what you're saying here, so I would probably rewrite this as: "One pair goes up... and another pair goes up..."
  •  Done
• There is also an exit-only near the southern end of the northbound platform -- exit-only what?
  •  Fixed
• There was a control house in the median of Broadway, just north of 116th Street -- is a control house the same as a station house? If so, you should probably establish the alt name before suddenly switching to it. Also, what is it? Could it be wikilinked?
  •  Done Head/station/control houses all mean the same thing. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Gallery

• Make sure you are consistent with punctuation
• wikilink Heins & LaFarge in its earlier instance
• Spell out northwest
  •  Done all. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

--truflip99 (talk) 19:03, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Truflip99: Thanks. I am pinging Kew Gardens 613 here as well, as he is the nominator. Epicgenius (talk) 18:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Last pass through looks good. Passing. --truflip99 (talk) 20:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.