Talk:11th Panzer Division
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Gespenster?
editThis 'nickname' was not the 11th's, but the 7th Panzer's, wasn't it? Thanks, 10.2.2006.
I believe there are in fact two. My grandpa referred to his division as the Gespesnterdivision, and indeed their tanks showed the insignia of a ghost, however he did not ever serve under Rommel (or travel the way the 7th did) so I assume he was in the 11th, and that both carried this nickname. I am, however, unsure, and will try to verify. 144.132.108.245 02:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC) deguerra
Actually i think that the term "Gespenster Division" only applied to the 7th, true 11th Pz indeed had a ghost as their company symbol, but then again no other division used their company symbol as a nickname for their division (Liebstandarte didnt call it self skeleton key to use that as example) the only reason that the 11th would call them self that is to be confused with the famed 7th. So i think that, while it is indeed true that they had that symbol, a rewording is more appropiate, maybe to something like this: "The unit emblem of the 11'th Pz was a ghost however this must not be confused with the famed Gespenster Division which was the 7th Pz Div. Also the 11th did NOT take part in the western campaign, it didnt see any action before serbia. Sneaking Viper (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Copy editing tag removed
editThis article needs a lot of other work before copy-editing, especially if it is a poorly done or machine translation from the German Wikipedia. I removed the copyedit tag, but follow what the template above says, and replace the copyedit tag after other problems are corrected. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:05, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Summer 1944
editIn the article it is said that the division was moved to the Rhône in July 1944, however elements of that division burnt a part of the village of Montoulieu (Ariège) to the ground in August 9, 1944 in reprisal for the failure to destroy the Maquis of Picaussel. Sources here in french ["La 11ème division Panzer brûle le hameau de Lescale"].
11thpanzer.com
editRegarding this revert (diff), would the editor please indicate what makes 11thpanzer.com, a Wehrmacht reenactment web site, a reliable source?
I would also appreciate an explanation of what makes second-hand citation (via self-published monograph) to Hermann Balck's Order in Chaos an RS. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:29, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- I looked at 11thpanzer.com and it seems like it is the website of an interest group (which anyone can create). It doesn't appear to be claiming that the data on the website is historically accurate either. For all purposes, this falls under WP:SPS and shouldn't be used. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- Both sources appear to be self-published - and neither appears to meet the broader criteria for a reliable source. Fyddlestix (talk) 04:20, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with the three editors above — these sources are obviously unreliable. Neutralitytalk 23:17, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
editThere is a move discussion in progress on Talk:4th Panzer Division (Wehrmacht) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —The Sky Bot 03:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)