Talk:16th Air Expeditionary Wing
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editI deleted the entire history section because there is no linkage between the WWII 16th BG and the current AEW. The two are entirely unrelated, and if the 16th owes any heritage to past units, it is to the 16th Pursuit Group / 1st Air Commando Group / 16th Special Operations Wing. Please do not revert without citing documentation for the claim.--Buckboard 18:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckboard (talk • contribs)
Dead link
editDuring several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
- http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0101/usafe.html
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16 AEW not WWII unit
editThe 16th Air Expeditionary Wing has no lineal connection to the WWII 16th Bombardment Wing. The 16 AEW is a purely provisional organization that was activated in 1997 for the purpose of supporting US no-fly zone and other operations in the Balkans. It remained active until June 2003, when it was replaced by the 401st Air Expeditionary Wing at Aviano. Being a provisional expeditionary unit, the 16 AEW does not continue its history or lineage. References can be found in the following USAF publication: Fifty Years on Nato's Southern Flank: a History of Sixteenth Air Force 1954-2004 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueblueb (talk • contribs) 10:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Trueblue, you can add the information if you give a full citation. See WP:CITE on how to do that; try playing with WP:citation templates for semi-automated formatting, esp. helpful if the source is available online (just stick in the URL and click the odd button with arrows next to it). You can sign your messages (not edits in article space) by typing four tildes (~~~~) after the text. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- I tweaked the lead according to your information. But, and there's a big but here, it appears to be at odds with other information in the article that's (supposedly) sourced to Maurer (1983), Air Force Combat Units of World War II. Please look into that. Drmies (talk) 17:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Emblem/Blazon?
editIf the 16th AEW was given the heritage of the 16th Bombardment Group, why did it have the blazon of the 16th Pursuit Group? How did AFHRA spin that, especially having given the 16th Pursuit's heritage to the 1st/16th SOW?--211.120.232.228 (talk) 08:47, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Unsupported and Inaccurate
editThe 16th Air Expeditionary Wing is unrelated to the World War II 16th Bombardment Group. It bears the number 16 because the 16th Special Operations Wing was the major force provider and it was not a "rainbow" unit thet would be given its own number. It was a provisional unit with neither prior not subsequent history. The 16th Bombardment Group should have its own article. I have removed lineage information but retained most other information on the 16th BG to make creation of a separate article easier. The 16th Bomb Group was redesignated the 16th Bombardment Training Wing in 1985 and has not been active since WW II.
- And by the way, who owns the bot with the hasty archiving? There's only one entry in the two archived discussions and it is pertinent to this issue (Why the 16th Pursuit Group emblem if this unit is descended from the 16th Bombardment Group? I've seen unarchived materials ages older. Why this? Anyone who knows can tell me here or at my talk page.
Remove History Section and make 16th Bombardment Group a separate article
editNo support is given in this article for the continuation of the history of the 16th Bombardment Group by the 16th Air Expeditionary Wing. The 16th Bombardment Group has not been active since 1946 and the last organizational action impacting it was its redesignation as the 16th Bombardment Training Wing in 1985. During its existence, the 16th AEW was a "rainbow" expeditionary wing. Its number was taken from 16th Air Force and duplicated that of the 16th Special Operations Wing. Unless there is support for the transformation of the 16th BTW to provisional status in 1997 (which is not provided by any of the references cited on the page), this material should be removed from the page and the 16th Bomb Gp page made a stand alone article. As one commenter in an archived comment stated, if the 16th AEW is descended from the 16th BG, why does it use the 16th Fighter Group emblem? (The wing cannot be descended from the fighter group because it was consolidated with the 1st Special Operations Wing in 1993.--Lineagegeek (talk) 01:09, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Done --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Archives
editThe amount of traffic on this page does not justify archiving it. I have removed the template that was archiving this page's contents and manually restored the two comments contained in the archives. Also, the notice below should not be archived. --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)