Talk:1872 Londonderry City by-election

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Did you know... that the 1872 Londonderry City by-election was the first parliamentary election held by secret ballot in Ireland?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

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... that the 1872 Londonderry City by-election was the first parliamentary election in Ireland to be held under a secret ballot? "it was the paramount issue in a by-election in Derry in 1872 and it was in this election, the first held in Ireland under the secret ballot" from: Thompson, Frank (2013). The End of Liberal Ulster: Land Agitation and Land Reform, 1868-1886. Ulster Historical Foundation. p. 74. ISBN 978-1-903688-06-9.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kathleen Byerly
Comment: I found this article as a two-sentence stub in dire need of improvement. No wanting to get caught up in the recent "Londonderry affair", I am happy if the main page appearance of this one needs to be delayed a bit. If it is delayed 23 November might be a good date, for the anniversary.

5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 13:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I can't see any reference to a secret ballot act in page 74 of the given source. Gatoclass (talk) 12:10, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi Gatoclass, I've added a new source to reference the Ballot Act introducing the secret ballot in 1872. Quote: "Ballot Act 1872 (introducing the secret ballot)" - Dumelow (talk) 13:16, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Dumelow, I can AGF on the new reference, but what I don't understand is why you have left the original cite there when it doesn't support the hook. Also, you have used the same reference for the whole of the first paragraph in the "Candidates" section, yet I see no correlation between that paragraph and the given page in the source. Are you sure you have the right page number for this cite? Gatoclass (talk) 13:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi Gatoclass, sorry I was speaking at cross purposes. I thought you wanted a ref that the Ballot Act 1872 introduced the secret ballot which I have no added. I see now I had put the wrong page numbers for Thompson. I've now corrected these in the article, they should have been page 143 and 144, not 74 and 75. Sorry! - Dumelow (talk) 13:56, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Ah, now we're both on the same page - both metaphorically and literally :) - verified. Gatoclass (talk) 14:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

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