Talk:187 (slang)

Link to 187 (number)?

Should there be a link to this article in 187 (number)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.216.199.26 (talk) 11:43, May 17, 2006

No it's not needed, read WP:DLINKS#Usage guidelines. -- œ^™ 04:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Trivia sections

The "Media references" section has got to go. It's getting way out of hand with non-notable and irrelevant references, there's got to be thousands of mentions of "187" in just rap songs alone. Although per WP:TRIVIA I'd still like to preserve information, so I'll give it a few days and if noone objects I'll move the entire section here to the talkpage. -- œ^™ 04:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I concur with your proposal. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised the article hasn't been proposed for deletion: Wikipedia is not a dictionary of slang, nor an index of legal codes. —Tamfang (talk) 19:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Of which this article is neither. -- œ^™ 19:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

What is it, then? —Tamfang (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

An encyclopedic article about Section 187 of the California Penal Code, chosen specifically because of its impact on culture through music and media, and supported by reliable sources. -- œ^™ 08:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Huh. Well I suppose it is fair to say that if California had no law concerning murder it would not be mentioned in songs an' stuff. :P —Tamfang (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Update

Note that the article at the Media references section, 187 in popular culture, has now been deleted. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/187 in popular culture for the relevant discussion. Perhaps this section can be repopulated sometime in the future but with a much trimmed down, notable and referenced list. -- œ^™ 16:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

One Eight Seven film

Should this page cross reference to the film One Eight Seven, due to the close similarities in title? Even though this might qualify as a "Media reference", I think that a cross reference is appropriate given the film title. 24.148.90.229 (talk) 21:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yea I think if you can fit it in somehow as a sentence it would be appropriate. If anything you could just put it in the See also section. We just don't want a repeat of the old "In popular culture" cruft list that quickly grew out of control. -- œ^™ 06:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I think deletion of the Popular References section was pretty heavy handed. Currently, there's only one example of "187" being used as slang in the "187 (slang)" article, a German stub article without any citation of its own! I should have posted to this talk page before my contribution, but I wasn't as savvy with Wikipedia then. Maybe there are 'thousands of references in rap,' but only 2 were written to the page, so I don't think it was distracting. (Jalster2 (talk) 02:09, 10 January 2017 (UTC))

Irrelevant Source

The citation for the trial judge story in "Typical Usage" is irrelevant, unless the Japanese plaintiffs found out that murdering someone at Ricoh Electronics barred them from bringing forth discrimination charges. --Sqrfrk (talk) 03:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind. I don't know how to read, apparently. --Sqrfrk (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Propose renaming

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Page moved to 187 (slang). Vegaswikian (talk) 00:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

187 (murder) → California Penal Code Section 187 — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:16, 18 April 2011 (UTC) This article isn't about a number. It's about a section of the California Penal Code and should be named to reflect that. Pburka (talk) 01:24, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. The article is not about a penal code section. It is about the slang term "187," and the slang term originated because of the penal section numbering. An article named California Penal Code Section 187 should discuss the crimes prohibited by the statute, its history, etc. This article does not, because that is not its subject. TJRC (talk) 19:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
• Rename to 187 (slang) since it is about the slang term, and not the act of murder. 65.94.45.160 (talk) 03:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support the above. I think 187 (slang) is the better title as the article is about the slang term and its use and how it came about, rather than a legal context. -- œ^™ 16:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support the above. 187 (slang) is the correct title. Ng.j (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I, too, would support a move to 187 (slang); I continue to oppose a move to California Penal Code Section 187. TJRC (talk) 23:18, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
• 187 (slang) works for me. Pburka (talk) 03:27, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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Dead link

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--JeffGBot (talk) 23:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Updates suggested

Two of the three news articles that are used to justify use of 187 as slang for murder because of the reference to the California penal code lead to newspaper articles that are behind a pay wall. Actually, a few lines of each article are visible, but nothing that mentions 187. The third reference, a newspaper article from a publication in Manchester, in the United Kingdom, is not behind a pay wall. It does clearly mention the use of 187 as a slang term for murder.

I am not questioning the veracity of the claim, that 187 is a slang term for murder, which was derived by association with the California penal code 187. However, additional sources should be provided. Alternatively, the quoted sections from the currently provided newspaper articles should be included. That can be accomplished by anyone who has a subscription to Highbeam news archive service, as all three article link to Highbeam. I have noticed that some editors or admins or people that use Wikipedia have subscription access to Highbeam now, so it would be helpful if one of those people were to update the three news story citations with the relevant content as a quote in the citation.

Link to California Penal Code: I was uncertain how to proceed here, as the FindLaw URL is a nicely formed URL. For that reason, I decided not to replace it with the official government page from the State of California for penal code 187. Just in case any one should decide that that would be preferable though, here it is: Legal Info CA Penal Codes 187-199, a rather less nicely formed URL.

Section about abortion and murder: This commentary hardly seems relevant here. It isn't necessary to question a woman's right to have an abortion in the State of California as part of an article about slang usage for 187 by gangs as a term for murder. There is NO urban context or vernacular that anyone has cited that implies that gangs had that in mind, abortion being murder, when using 187. I will probably removed some of that verbiage. --FeralOink (talk) 03:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, those articles are available on NewsBank's America's Newspapers database (that's where I found them and added the cites from), which is available at many public and academic libraries throughout English-speaking North America. --Coolcaesar (talk) 07:55, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

187 time

In terms of time, 187 may reference 3:07 (three hours and seven minutes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.180.85 (talk) 21:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Origin of 187

I know nearly every second rap song mentions 187, but given the reason it's become so prevalent in mainstream culture is from rap music, would it be valid to note the first songs to reference 187 as a synonym of murder? 124.149.179.127 (talk) 02:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

dmy vs mdy ("Why would we use MDY if this slang originates from California?")

FYI @User:Muboshgu, all previous dates were in dmy format, and I had no reason to backtrack on previous editors' decision. Maybe it originated in California, but only gained popularity abroad? I came here to add more information to a reference and make sure the ISO dates are converted, not to make assumptions about date formatting. Thanks for converting everything to mdy though! --Safto Rangen (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Saftorangen, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that it gained popularity from gangsta rap, which originated in the U.S. The article doesn't suggest the term is used abroad nearly as much as it is in the U.S., which would suggest per MOS:TIES that it should be MDY. (If that header is a direct quote from my edit summary, I clearly misworded it.) – Muboshgu (talk) 00:53, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed; it's primarily US slang and should be MDY under MOS:TIES. TJRC (talk) 01:11, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, I didn't even notice the typo in your question, I simply copy-pasted it from your edit summary. I guess what I'd like to know is: what would've been the appropriate behaviour in this case? Should I have tagged it mdy, even if I was only going to touch that one reference, resulting in mixed formatting? Should I have left the dmy/mdy template out completely and show the ISO dates, resulting in mixed formatting? Should I have not added more information to the reference if I wasn't going to re-format all the dates in the article, as you did? Please excuse the possibly tedious question(s), I just want to avoid duplicate work like this in the future. --Safto Rangen (talk) 01:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Saftorangen, I don't think you acted inappropriately. I don't think this discussion has added too much work. What you did was valid since the format was predominantly dmy before today. I noticed and thought the MOS:TIES meant it should be mdy. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, thank you for letting me know! --Safto Rangen (talk) 01:21, 14 March 2020 (UTC)