Talk:1922 Hampton Seasiders football team
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Jweiss11 in topic St. Paul Normal and Industrial
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St. Paul Normal and Industrial
edit@Jweiss11: Reverted your changing this. The opponent school was known at this time as the St. Paul Normal and Industrial School. See here, here, here. Where schools have such suffixes, our general practice is to include them. See, e.g. Michigan State Normal, Texas A&M, North Carolina A&T Aggies football, Virginia Tech, etc. Cbl62 (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Cbl, I understand the school was known as "Saint Paul Normal and Industrial School" at the time, but the question is, what is the relevant short name for the school at the time? In the other examples you provided here, the suffixes are necessary to disambiguate those schools from other schools in the same state. Consider also the records in the CIAA media guide. See page 83 at https://issuu.com/ciaa/docs/2015_ciaa_football_media_guide. That media guide uses contemporary short names in the standings standings, e.g. "VA Normal II" for Virginia State University, then known as "Virginia Normal and Industrial Institute]] and "VA Seminary" for Virginia University of Lynchburg, then known as "Virginia Theological Seminary and College". Saint Paul's joined the conference in 1923, and is listed simply as "Saint Paul's". Jweiss11 (talk) 04:22, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- The media guide you cite was published in 2015. The contemporary sources cited above refer to the school as "Saint Paul Normal and Industrial". I can't think of another example where we would knowingly delete "Normal" when it is part of the school's common name (e.g., Louisiana Normal, Michigan State Normal, Georgia Normal) -- and this holds even even where it is not needed for disambiguation. E.g., Tempe Normal, Mansfield State Normal, East Tennessee State Normal. Also, the additional language serves a useful purpose in disambiguating Saint Paul Normal and Industrial from the other Saint Paul's such as St. Paul's College, Washington, D.C., Saint Paul College, Saint Paul University, St. Paul's College (Manitoba), and St. Paul's School (Concord, New Hampshire). This is not a huge deal, but I'm inclined to keep the "Normal and Industrial" language as being more precise. Cbl62 (talk) 09:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- Here's a 1929 news article calling them simply the "St. Paul Tigers": https://www.newspapers.com/clip/39886055/daily_press/. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- The media guide you cite was published in 2015. The contemporary sources cited above refer to the school as "Saint Paul Normal and Industrial". I can't think of another example where we would knowingly delete "Normal" when it is part of the school's common name (e.g., Louisiana Normal, Michigan State Normal, Georgia Normal) -- and this holds even even where it is not needed for disambiguation. E.g., Tempe Normal, Mansfield State Normal, East Tennessee State Normal. Also, the additional language serves a useful purpose in disambiguating Saint Paul Normal and Industrial from the other Saint Paul's such as St. Paul's College, Washington, D.C., Saint Paul College, Saint Paul University, St. Paul's College (Manitoba), and St. Paul's School (Concord, New Hampshire). This is not a huge deal, but I'm inclined to keep the "Normal and Industrial" language as being more precise. Cbl62 (talk) 09:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)