Talk:1937 Ben-Gurion letter

Translation

Why isn't there a translation of the rest of the letter in the article? Surely it couldn't be because the next sentence after the disputed one dispels any doubt about the accurate reading? "We do not wish nor need to exile Arabs and take their place. Our whole aspiration is based on the premise - that has been affirmed throughout our work in the land - that there is enough room for us and for the Arabs" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A06:C701:4B3D:B000:D482:9E42:C8B:43A1 (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Other sources

According to CAMERA [1]:

"The letter, and more importantly, the nuances of the specific passage about (not) expelling Arabs, is discussed by scholars including Arye Naor in the journal Israel Studies; Shabtai Teveth in Ben-Gurion ve'Arvie Eretz Israel and in the Hebrew journal Alpayim; Ilan Greilsammer in La Nouvelle Histoire d'Israël; Véronique Meimoun in Bulletin du Centre de Recherche Français á Jérusalem; Efraim Karsh in Fabricating Israeli History; and Benny Morris in Alpayim."

Does anyone have access to these additional sources? Oncenawhile (talk) 15:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Non-Wiki Compliant 'Drive-by' Editing

I point to a revert by User: Shrike on 12 July 2017. Once again he does not even bother to try to comply with Wiki protocol evidenced by no Talk discussion. WP:BOLD is not applicable because there was no discussion and hence no logjam. Once again his revert is based on a personal POV regarding the source, in this case Rabbi Chaim Simmons. His main drive-by justification is that "Simmons is not historian ". I challenge Shrike with something VERY specific - where does Wiki demand that a source must be a historian? Where in the source web site defined as providing unreliable information across the board? Simmmons was attributed in the deleted text. I am keeping track of these drive-by reverts on topics covered by ARBPIA. You have one day to justify your claim that not being a historian justifies a deletion, Shrike. I am getting very tired of this type of tendentious and destructive drive-by editing. Erictheenquirer (talk) 06:32, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes its justified we try to use high quality sources and not some WP:SPS from some unknown person that he claims to be a Rabbi that lives in hebron(and even if he was it doesn't mean that material should be included) except that I am wondering how did you encountered the VHO.org site?--Shrike (talk) 06:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

user:shrikeYour tendentious drive-by editing is exposed by your inability to show where Wiki demands that a reliable source on past matters must be a historian in order to be WP:RS. All we are left with is an unjustified POV. Regarding the VHO.org site I chose it because it was available to readers online. Is that a 'bad' reason as your POV suggests? Contrary to your drive-by POV, his actual work - "A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict 1895-1947: A Historical Survey" was published by KTAV (1988) – this company has been among the most notable publishers of Judaica and Jewish educational texts since the middle of the 20th century. In 2004, Ktav was designated a Parents' Choice Award-Winning company. This same book is favourably quoted by Smith and Burr in their “Understanding World Religions (2015); by Jeremy Sats in “The Unmaking of the Middle East”; by Mark Tessler in “A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”; in The Palestine Yearbook of International Law 1999-2000; and in the Routledge Handbook of the History of the Middle East Mandates; a by no means exhaustive list. It was chosen to be represented on Project Gutenberg. All of these respected authors vs 'Shrike'. Your new drive-by case of POV categorisation of a dedicated scholar as being unreliable has been noted. I am reverting based on strong evidence in Simins' favour vs a drive-by POV from a tendentious editor. Erictheenquirer (talk) 06:16, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

user:shrike - I also refer you to [[2]] where you were taken to task for not being able to provide a source for your claim that WIKI policy forbids the use of citations to non-specialists - Nishidani required of you - "Please focus on answering my request for the basis in policy of your aapparent belief that articles must be composed by sources that are authored by academic specialists on the specific field, exclusive of all other otherwise reputable sources." You failed to respond. I have repeated Nishidani's question. Once again you failed to respond to the question. A verifiable ptrattern is emerging.Erictheenquirer (talk) 09:27, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't find these book nor on KTAV website nor on WorldCat apparently no libraries in the whole world doesn't have this book[3] . Does it real book?Please read what constitute WP:RS.

Also if it was really published by KTAV like you claim you forbidden to link to WP:COPYVIO from other sites.--Shrike (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

By the way, user:Shrike, I found that Chaim Simons' work on transfer was alive and well and accepted as perfectly WP:RS on Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Odd. Erictheenquirer (talk) 14:51, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I still waiting to proof from ktav website that its really thier book.--Shrike (talk) 14:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

If that is all that is outstanding, no problem. Glad to be of help. Here is proof that KTAV was the publisher in 1988 - [[4]]. Simons uploaded the e-book version that I cited in 2004 ... more useful for readers, don't you think so? Erictheenquirer (talk) 15:10, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Also here ... has more detail and the book is cheaper - [[5]] Erictheenquirer (talk) 15:11, 15 July 2017 (UTC)