Talk:1963 South Vietnamese coup d'état

Reasons for revision

I found calling this "CIA backed" to be undue stress on the "Dark Forces of American Intelligence", or something like that. Seriously, the coup was fundamentally a South Vietnamese initiative, probably combining genuine anger at Diem's repression as well as ambition.

Nevertheless, the U.S. policy to support the coup was a Presidential level decision, conveyed to the Ambassador by the Department of State. The CIA officer involved had been providing intelligence on coup planning, and then deniably conveyed the message that the US would not intervene. I'm puzzled, frankly, why he provided the relatively small sum (to overthrow a government) of $42,000. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 05:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting my oversight. I should have mentioned Cable 243 which I worte as well. Sorry, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Should this really be a separate article?

Oh, this might even be the merge point from several, but there seems a great deal of overlap among this article, articles on the Diem assassination and the Buddhist crisis. Alternatively, it might be reasonable to put the range of known planned and unsuccessful coups against the Republic of Vietnam in one place. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 15:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge discussion

1963 South Vietnamese coup is the main article here but it is poorly writen. other two articles Arrest and assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem and Reaction to the 1963 South Vietnamese coup on same subject is ok. It is better to merge this articles. It is important to note that a coup is more than assassination and world reaction. Srinivasasha (talk) 08:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in 1963 South Vietnamese coup

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 1963 South Vietnamese coup's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "encyc":

• From Ton That Dinh: Tucker, pp. 288–289.
• From Ngo Dinh Nhu: Tucker, pp. 291–298.
• From Pham Ngoc Thao: Tucker, Spencer C. (2000). Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War. ABC-CLIO. p. 325. ISBN 978-0-19-513524-4.
• From Nguyen Van Nhung: Tucker, p. 227.
• From Le Quang Tung: Tucker, Spencer C. (2000). Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War. ABC-CLIO. p. 227. ISBN 978-0-19-513524-4.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in 1963 South Vietnamese coup

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 1963 South Vietnamese coup's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "pp":

• From Cable 243: "The Overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem, May-November, 1963". The Pentagon Papers. pp. 201–276.
• From Nguyen Van Nhung: The Overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem, May-November, 1963. Pentagon Papers. Daniel Ellsberg. pp. 201–276. Retrieved 2008-06-10.
• From Duong Van Minh: "The Overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem, May-November, 1963". The Pentagon Papers. pp. pp. 266–276. Retrieved 2007-11-02. {{cite web}}: |pages= has extra text (help)
• From Reaction to the 1963 South Vietnamese coup: The Overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem, May-November, 1963. Pentagon Papers. Daniel Ellsberg. p. 201–276.
• From Commercial Import Program: The Overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem, May-November, 1963. Pentagon Papers. Daniel Ellsberg. pp. 201–276.
• From Nguyen Ngoc Tho: "The Overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem, May-November, 1963". The Pentagon Papers. pp. 266–276. Retrieved 2007-11-02.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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Potential source

The following biography of Lucien Conein is relatively recent and outlines his role in the 1963 South Vietnamese coup:

Rust, William J. (December 2019). "CIA Operations Officer Lucien Conein: A Study in Contrasts and Controversy" (PDF). Studies in Intelligence. 63 (4). Washington, D.C.: Center for the Studies of Intelligence: 43-58. Retrieved June 14, 2020.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (link)

Perhaps someone more familiar with subject matter can tell where it might fill in the gaps. - Location (talk) 19:03, 15 June 2020 (UTC)