Talk:1967 NFL Championship Game

Kramer False Start

I think the article needs to address the issue of Kramer's false start on Starr's sneak. The view from the end zone shows him raising his right arm prior to the snap. (I know I'm not the first person to notice this.)65tosspowertrap 16:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Kramer has admitted the replay shows him moving prematurely. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 08:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

done 66.234.33.8 (talk) 12:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Correct. The article does an injustice to the truth and facts by not addressing the fact that Kramer committed a false-start penalty and it went uncalled by the game officials. Whomever has the ability to edit the article NEEDS to do so so as to include that fact. Kramer did, several weeks later, when reviewing the film, admit that he "went too early". After that game and during the offseason, the NFL "tweaked" the false start rule to make it an "automatic" penalty. Before the tweak, if the false start occurred close enough to the snap of the ball, the officials threw the flag but let the play go and the defense had the choice of taking the result of the play or the penalty. Today (25 October, 2018), Hugo Cruz, an NFL game official, became the first game official in the Super Bowl-era to be fired during the season. Cruz's final mistake was missing an obvious false start on the LA Chargers' left tackle on a play that the Chargers scored a touchdown. It is because of Kramer's uncalled false start that missed false start penalties are considered an "unforgivable sin" in NFL officiating.

Starr Sneak

The article says Bart Starr did not tell anyone he was going to carry the ball on the famous sneak. However in Jerry Kramer's book, "Instant Replay" Kramer says Starr called the play and then said he was going to carry the ball. I don't have the exact quote. This would indicate everyone in the huddle knew Starr was going to sneak it in. I also saw an interview with Mercein recently and he had said he held his hands up so the officials would not call him for "Pushing" Starr into the end zone. It would be interesting to hear what Kramer and Starr can say was really said in the huddle. Scottk2 (talk) 12:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

done 66.234.33.8 (talk) 12:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

=== This is correct - Bart Starr himself in the HBO documentary "Lombardi" stated very clearly that he mentioned a sneak to Lombardi because the backs could not get quick traction at that end of the field, which was in the worst shape - however he was already standing up and could just follow Kramer right into the end zone. At that point Lombardi said "Well run the damn thing and let's get the hell out of here!" - which caused Starr to break up laughing, something he was worried would be seen by the Cowboys.

The page should be edited to include this information. Antimatter33 (talk) 05:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

no known source of Starr laughing, if I found I would definitely put in, everything else done 66.234.33.8 (talk) 12:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Ice Bowl and the Block

The Ice Bowl is clearly supported by notable sources as one of the greatest games of all times. It needs to be treated as such. Enhancing this article will only improve the Vince Lombardi and the Green Bay Packer and the history of the Green Bay Packer articles on Wikipedia. The same can be said for both the Super Bowl I and the Super Bowl II articles on Wikipedia.66.234.33.8 (talk) 00:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC) 66.234.33.8 (talk) 12:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

List of Good Articles about Games

2005 UEFA Champions League Final —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.52.5.48 (talk) 21:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Article structure

Copied from 2005 UEFA Champions League Final

• Introduction
• Run up to the game - playoff scores and highlights where pertinent
• Buildup to the game
  • team histories with each other
  • coachs' histories with each other
  • teams' histories with each other and comparison of teams
  • pre-game weather setting and background
• game
  • setting
    • weather
    • media
  • prior to final drive
  • final drive
    • quarterback sneak
  • conclusion to the game
• immediate aftermath of the game
  • physical and emotional condition of the players
  • winning team locker room
  • losing team lockroom
  • transition to super bowl
• legacy
  • on league as a whole
  • on packers
  • on cowboys
  • on individual
  • on NFL lore

Any comments 66.234.33.8 (talk) 19:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Union Club of Phoenixville players

There is some kind of template in this article about the Union Club of Phoenixville players. I see nothing regarding this in Bell's life. I have not removed it in the past month although I have wanted to remove it. I do not know who put it in this article or why they put it in this aritcle. Lyons mentions Bell played against Jim Thorpe one year, I think in 1921, by which time the Union Club of Phoenixville was defunct. As a rule, I do not like to delete other people's stuff, but I am targeting this template because it is not sourced at all. That template needs to be cited. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 22:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

You should feel free to "delete other people's stuff" if it is uncited and appears to you to be incorrect. I feel that not doing so is as bad as adding incorrect information to WP in the first place. That said, I am not seeing the information you are referring to in this article. Can you help me understand what info you're concerned about? Thanks. — DeeJayK (talk) 13:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Imcomplete sentence

Quote: "Starr returned to the huddle and called a Brown right 31 Wedge, but with him keeping the ball. and he and center Ken Bowman executed a post-drive block (double-team) on left defensive tackle Jethro Pugh as Starr crossed the goal line for a 20-17 lead."

I suspect that some phrase involving Jerry Kramer is missing here. (Unless Starr was blocking for himself!) WHPratt (talk) 00:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Too many errors in Windchill factor listed on the game.

I believe the windchill table was changed around 2001. Since the listed wind chills are not physically possible with today's standard. The speed of the wind needed at that temperature is impossible. The Drive section lists erroneous windchills (-79F) that even at -20F would need 60+ MPH winds with the current Windchill table or 35 to 40MPH winds with the old table http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ddc/?n=windchill. You can clearly watch the video from the game and wind cannot be faster than 10+MPH during the game. Furthermore, you can check the National Weather Service's data on the temperature at game time and current winds speeds and it does not correlated to the referenced material.

What I am saying if you are listed windchills using the old outdated table you need to note it and/or list today's standards. I would also double check those number with the reported weather data from Green Bay Wisc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.142.64 (talk) 04:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Contradiction, error on Cowboy record - VERY easy to fix

Top of the article: "The Dallas Cowboys (10–3–1)"

Following table of contents: "Dallas led his team to first place in the Capitol Division with a 9–5 record"

9-5 is correct.

This is absurdly simple to fix. Let's see how long it takes to be corrected. Any bona fide editor can do this. (I'm not one. I would just harm the page. Thus I'm doing you a favor by merely reporting it.)70.119.141.15 (talk) 19:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 Done Was that quick enough? Thanks for pointing it out. Nice work. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  19:36, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Impressive. You're only a bit shy of faster than the speed of thought.

BTW I thought it would sit there for a few years or forever! Humanitus faithus partiallus restorus24.27.72.99 (talk) 11:37, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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